Pronouns???

[MilkieTea]

Thanks for repeating my comment. Fun with words?

No, just clarifying. You know that those are pronouns, right?

I, you, me, my, etc.

[Vyrerus]

concept error

Binary code is entirely applicable, because we use it everyday to view many millions of things. Each value composed of the binary represents entirely different information with respect to what a computer shows us. It goes a similar way with sexual chromosomes, though actual biology is a lot messier.

You'll notice your sliding scale is still contained within a binary, as it has two poles. It is a binary scale. Everything on the scale is informed and described by its poles.

It's also labeled incorrectly. The intersex portion should touch the poles, as it is entirely possible to be M or F with an exact 46 XY or XX chromosome comp, but due to physical defect, develop as one or the other.

Until we get a mutation that causes an intersex person to develop with a brand new sex chromosome, we humans will be sexually binary.

Gender is entirely psychological, as it was invented in relation to sex to distinguish between what a person is physically, and what they feel/think that they are. It has no bearing on my point.

[MilkieTea]

Binary code is entirely applicable, because we use it everyday to view many millions of things. Each value composed of the binary represents entirely different information with respect to what a computer shows us. It goes a similar way with sexual chromosomes, though actual biology is a lot messier.

You'll notice your sliding scale is still contained within a binary, as it has two poles. It is a binary scale. Everything on the scale is informed and described by its poles.

It's also labeled incorrectly. The intersex portion should touch the poles, as it is entirely possible to be M or F with an exact 46 XY or XX chromosome comp, but due to physical defect, develop as one or the other.

Until we get a mutation that causes an intersex person to develop with a brand new sex chromosome, we humans will be sexually binary.

Gender is entirely psychological, as it was invented in relation so sex to distinguish between what a person is physically, and what they feel/think that they are. It has no bearing on my point.

I drew that with my finger, just take it as a vague approximation.

On the rest of your post: sure, it exists within a binary, but it isnt a strict either or.

Also the gender comments are more for anyone else choosing to read through the thread. I find you to be someone who is typically level headed about this kind of stuff, which I appreciate.

[lezard21]

What games are these so I can avoid them?

Seeing as how videogame journalism as a whole is a joke with most sites not even hiring qualified people this WILL become the norm eventually.

Like I can totally see a journalist from a site like IGN giving the critically acclaimed mmorpg ffxiv with a free trial up to level 60 including the heavensward expansion a bad review just because they couldn't make it past the opening cutscene due to not using the proper pronouns.

[Vyrerus]

I drew that with my finger, just take it as a vague approximation.

On the rest of your post: sure, it exists within a binary, but it isnt a strict either or.

Also the gender comments are more for anyone else choosing to read through the thread. I find you to be someone who is typically level headed about this kind of stuff, which I appreciate.

It's better than I can draw with a pencil, heh. I've got pretty bad hands.

It exists within the binary, and that means that it's both but never neither.

Thanks for the compliment. I was actually feeling somewhat riled, honestly. I feel pretty strongly about this kind of stuff. I'm fine with people choosing their own descriptors, as it's something intersex people have to do naturally. I just draw the line at changing the definition of sex, which exists entirely for the physical world. At least, changing it without there first being an example of it actually changing, in this case, for humans.

[MilkieTea]

It's better than I can draw with a pencil, heh. I've got pretty bad hands.

It exists within the binary, and that means that it's both but never neither.

Thanks for the compliment. I was actually feeling somewhat riled, honestly. I feel pretty strongly about this kind of stuff. I'm fine with people choosing their own descriptors, as it's something intersex people have to do naturally. I just draw the line at changing the definition of sex, which exists entirely for the physical world. At least, changing it without there first being an example of it actually changing, in this case, for humans.

No problem. I kind of feel that we're both hitting a wall, because while we're not necessarily in full *disagreement* with each other (we're playing semantics at this point) we're also not going to come to a full agreement on what we do disagree upon. I'm going to end this here before it devolves into nitpicking, as I'm prone to do.

Have a great day, and I hope to see you elsewhere on the forums!

[Sotaris]

No, just clarifying. You know that those are pronouns, right?

I, you, me, my, etc.

Yes of course. But my point was adding option to the game where I can make a female character but the pronounce should be him or them is something I don't wish to have in the game.

[MilkieTea]

Yes of course. But my point was adding option to the game where I can make a female character but the pronounce should be him or them is something I don't wish to have in the game.

And why not? If you personally wish to have NPCs refer to you as "she" or "her", that's you. If someone else wishes to make a female avatar and have the pronouns be "he" or "him" when talking to NPCs, how does this affect you? (In a hypothetical where this doesn't take away from dev resources).

It doesn't mean you have to refer to others differently. This is an invisible feature, it doesn't affect others gameplay.

[Sotaris]

Cause I rather the devs not waste time on implementing a feature no one will see or use. Like you said, it will only be visible for the player, it doesn't add anything.

It would just be a "woke" list where they can check off a box. It's stupid if you ask me. We have to much of that in real life today with social media.

[MilkieTea]

Cause I rather the devs not waste time on implementing a feature no one will see or use. Like you said, it will only be visible for the player, it doesn't add anything.

It would just be a "woke" list where they can check off a box. It's stupid if you ask me. We have to much of that in real life today with social media.

(In a hypothetical where this doesn't take away from dev resources)

There, dev resources are not wasted. Now why are you against other players being referred to by their preferred pronoun in game?