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    Quote Originally Posted by zcrash970 View Post
    What games are these so I can avoid them?
    Seeing as how videogame journalism as a whole is a joke with most sites not even hiring qualified people this WILL become the norm eventually.

    Like I can totally see a journalist from a site like IGN giving the critically acclaimed mmorpg ffxiv with a free trial up to level 60 including the heavensward expansion a bad review just because they couldn't make it past the opening cutscene due to not using the proper pronouns.
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    As a gay who has to concern himself with daily trivial matters like work, doing chores, paying the rent,having a healthy relationship, saving up money for the future, etc. I envy my fellow LGBTIQ+ members that have enough time and economic stability in their hands to worry about what pronouns a videogame uses.
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    I doubt they will change the logs just for this... it's a game but I know beeps get offended too easily nowadays. No spine. Maybe just ignore it and enjoy the story. In Japan they haven't normalized mental disorders yet so it is not in their interest to add that to games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    Gonna stop you right there.

    So, why do you think it's called intersex? To be intersex is to be in-between the two sexes. There is no third sex that develops in intersex people.

    Sure, we get all these different iterations of XY and XX, like XXY XYY XXX XYX. etc.

    It's the same in binary code with 0s and 1s. To be a binary, means to consist of two parts. Two parts in any winning combination is still in a binary. 0001 is not 1001, and they represent different numbers in the code, but they're still in that binary code.

    The analogy isn't perfect, but I think you get my meaning. There's no new chromosome that comes about in intersex people allowing them to reproduce in new manners, if they are able to reproduce. There is no third gamete.
    S*x being binary or not isn’t necessarily analogous to computer binaries, because computer binaries dont allow for variations. It is “either” 1 or 0, either “on” or “off”

    I believe its more accurate to describe s*x as a sliding scale. Its not that there are new s*xes, its that describing s*x as strictly binary just DOESNT work. Most people may fit comfortably on one side of the scale or the other, but there are plenty of people all around the inside of that scale. (Bear in mind this is STRICTLY talking about s*x, gender and gender expression falls outside of that.)



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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkieTea View Post
    S*x being binary or not isn’t necessarily analogous to computer binaries, because computer binaries dont allow for variations. It is “either” 1 or 0, either “on” or “off”

    I believe its more accurate to describe s*x as a sliding scale. Its not that there are new s*xes, its that describing s*x as strictly binary just DOESNT work. Most people may fit comfortably on one side of the scale or the other, but there are plenty of people all around the inside of that scale. (Bear in mind this is STRICTLY talking about s*x, gender and gender expression falls outside of that.)



    I find your way of censoring the word "sex" to be incredibly amusing. And yet it's not censored in the picture you posted for some reason. Please be consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkieTea View Post
    concept error
    Binary code is entirely applicable, because we use it everyday to view many millions of things. Each value composed of the binary represents entirely different information with respect to what a computer shows us. It goes a similar way with sexual chromosomes, though actual biology is a lot messier.

    You'll notice your sliding scale is still contained within a binary, as it has two poles. It is a binary scale. Everything on the scale is informed and described by its poles.

    It's also labeled incorrectly. The intersex portion should touch the poles, as it is entirely possible to be M or F with an exact 46 XY or XX chromosome comp, but due to physical defect, develop as one or the other.

    Until we get a mutation that causes an intersex person to develop with a brand new sex chromosome, we humans will be sexually binary.

    Gender is entirely psychological, as it was invented in relation to sex to distinguish between what a person is physically, and what they feel/think that they are. It has no bearing on my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flay_wind View Post
    I find your way of censoring the word "sex" to be incredibly amusing. And yet it's not censored in the picture you posted for some reason. Please be consistent.
    oh snap- yikes.

    if you want to know why, Im used to instagram and youtube censoring conments that contain those words so whenever i type i censor the words myself. ive lost many an essay just because i forgot to censor certain words. however in images it doesnt really matter since youre typically just linking the image (and youtube is spotty about allowing links anyways so its hit or miss whether or not your comment will even go thru)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotaris View Post
    Thanks for repeating my comment. Fun with words?
    No, just clarifying. You know that those are pronouns, right?

    I, you, me, my, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkieTea View Post
    No, just clarifying. You know that those are pronouns, right?

    I, you, me, my, etc.
    Yes of course. But my point was adding option to the game where I can make a female character but the pronounce should be him or them is something I don't wish to have in the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotaris View Post
    Yes of course. But my point was adding option to the game where I can make a female character but the pronounce should be him or them is something I don't wish to have in the game.
    And why not? If you personally wish to have NPCs refer to you as "she" or "her", that's you. If someone else wishes to make a female avatar and have the pronouns be "he" or "him" when talking to NPCs, how does this affect you? (In a hypothetical where this doesn't take away from dev resources).

    It doesn't mean you have to refer to others differently. This is an invisible feature, it doesn't affect others gameplay.
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    No thanks. Housing is fine as it is

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