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[Sotaris]

It isn't hypothetical. Dev resources would be required and imo wasted. It won't magically appear in the character creator.

[MilkieTea]

It isn't hypothetical. Dev resources would be required and imo wasted. It won't magically appear in the character creator.

In a hypothetical scenario where inputting this into the game WILL NOT remove dev resources. Let's say all they have to do is flip a switch in a HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO.

Why would you be against it in this HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO.

Well it's pretty useless to argue about a what If scenario don't you think.

This may be a highly controversial opinion in this time and age. I don't believe there is more than 2 genders and you are the gender you're born in. So - If I make a female character or male for that fact, they are a she and he.

Yeah, that's what I was fishing for.

Don't talk to me again please ^.~

You believe in the toothfairy too?

Cause they exist hypothetical! /s

This just in: local cat lady doesn't understand what hypotheticals are.

Anyways, I won't waste further time on people who can't be bothered to do a modicum of research. Have a nice day! ^.~

<Don't talk to me again please.

<Proceeds to keep editing their posts with more responses.

I said don't talk to me, not that I would stop talking to them. I'm pretty literal in that sense. See above edit in which I say I won't waste any more time.

Then don't post on a public forum if you cannot handle the ensuing responses. The internet does not revolve around you for your personal use. You post on a public forum, you'll get public responses.

This just in: local scaled person doesn't understand dismissals.

'I don't like their opinion so I'm going to bait them into saying something that'll allow me to label them a transphobe so I can be done with it that way'

Nah. I already pretty much knew what their opinion was from the gate, I just hate when people skirt around it rather than saying it outright. If you hold opinions like that, might as well say it with your chest.

Side note: I hate how small the post limit is. :/

[Sotaris]

Well it's pretty useless to argue about a what If scenario don't you think.

This may be a highly controversial opinion in this time and age. I don't believe there is more than 2 genders and you are the gender you're born in. So - If I make a female character or male for that fact, they are a she and he.

[Sotaris]

In a hypothetical scenario where inputting this into the game WILL NOT remove dev resources. Let's say all they have to do is flip a switch in a HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO.

Why would you be against it in this HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO.

You believe in the toothfairy too?

Cause they exist hypothetical! /s

Yeah, that's what I was fishing for.

Don't talk to me again please ^.~

Stop replying to my comments then "^.~"
and go back to your echochamber.

[Mesarthim]

Yeah, that's what I was fishing for.

Don't talk to me again please ^.~



This just in: local cat lady doesn't understand what hypotheticals are.

Anyways, I won't waste further time on people who can't be bothered to do a modicum of research. Have a nice day! ^.~

<Don't talk to me again please.

<Proceeds to keep editing their posts with more responses.

[Mesarthim]

II said don't talk to me, not that I would stop talking to them. I'm pretty literal in that sense. See above edit in which I say I won't waste any more time.

Then don't post on a public forum if you cannot handle the ensuing responses. The internet does not revolve around you for your personal use. You post on a public forum, you'll get public responses.

[Lanadra]

Yeah, that's what I was fishing for.

Don't talk to me again please ^.~

'I don't like their opinion so I'm going to bait them into saying something that'll allow me to label them a transphobe so I can be done with it that way'

[Sotaris]

<Don't talk to me again please.

<Proceeds to keep editing their posts with more responses.

Pretty much, they probably don't want me to see it. Says much about the person.

[Haru304]

There, dev resources are not wasted. Now why are you against other players being referred to by their preferred pronoun in game?

It would in-fact, contrary to my opinion yesterday as I didn't touch on the technical aspects, be incredibly easy if the inclusion in this scenario was simply a matter of performing a switcheroo for he and she pronouns. That's not what a lot of people want, however. People want gender-neutral pronouns (which IMO to an extent violate my personal understanding of grammar in various scenarios and are confusing) and people want gender-neo pronouns. Would it not be wrong to leave those out? It wouldn't just require swapping some words out. It'll require restructuring entire sentences, to tailor to people's individual experiences of the story. Now, as you've pointed out, that's a pretty big technical issue to tackle.

In my personal experience of the game, people playing non-binary, gender non conforming, trans, etc characters have simply had their character model reflect that (and of course everyone has a different idea of masculine and feminine to an extent, I mean look at the thread OPs friend who could only get a lalafel to represent 'their' idea of what was and wasn't gender representative to them). It's not a hard thing to conceptualize in this type of universe. I find it odd that people jump to the 'pixies' of all things to shout 'this exists, this exists!', etc, you don't need to point out a mythical creature in a fantasy setting to justify the pronouns your character uses or your character's gender identity.

Something you said earlier was in regards to 'finding characters relatable', etc 'this is what this type of game is for', etc. Why does your character need to be perfectly representative of you in order for it to be relatable? I find myself asking this more and more as of late. I play this type of game to indulge in another character's story or experiences, and certain aspects of those may or may not be relatable, but that doesn't mean the character itself has to be one hundred percent representative of me. I don't have to be black, for example, to sympathize and feel a relation to the struggles of a black character, and likewise with gender. What's with this mentality that you can ONLY relate to people if they ARE you? It seems odd to me, as someone who doesn't particularly like being bound to labels and stereotypes.

Last but not least, I think this generally comes down to the player. Ultimately, you're in control of who and what your character is, as a creator, and no amount of in-game text can take that away from you.

[Rinhi]

In the 1950s the psychologist John Money [...]

...forced a male child with a botched circumcision (lol america) to live as a girl and had him and his brother play out sexual situations as "therapy"
despite being a normal, healthy woman after therapy (according to money), the girl 'transitioned' to become a man (again) and later both brothers committed suicide due to the experienced trauma they had at the hands of him
how this deplorable human being is seen as anything but a psychopath I don't understand
please don't use him if you're talking about trans issues