6.0 Story Speculations

[Rannie]

I'm not sure how that would affect the Sharlayan Forum, though. Unlike with Amaurot, in which Azem was a member of the Convocation, the WoL in the present day has no Sharlayan citizenship, let alone being a member of the Forum. At most, the WoL is an honorary archon (if you played 1.0 and got the tatoo)... which means nothing.

The tattoo that we Legacy Members have has nothing to do with the Archon tattoo that the Sharlayans use, it's not even the same tattoo. It's called the Mark of the Twelve and we only got it after being telported to the future. Our Legacy Chocobo even has the same mark on their beak.

The only thing we ever get is the title Under Archon that we have and I don't even know if I'd call that being an Honorary one

[Kesey]

It's likely Azem was hunting down the possible cause for the Sound and trying to deal with it at its Source. I think it would be pure irony if right before Azem was about to finish off (in one way or another) the source of it, the Sundering happened.

I agree that he/she was most likely dealing with The Sound directly, but deeper questions need answered. Like: Did Azem find a solution to The Sound but fail to fix it? Did Azem deal with The Sound (is it already a non-factor)? Was it a deliberate choice to not side with Hydaelyn or was there something impeding them from contacting Venat? And by extension of the previous question, how did Azem's reincarnation become the choice champion for Hydaelyn?

As I said before, we know way more about what other Ancients were doing then our own selves. It seems purposeful, but really there are a lot of key events that have gone unexplained that our past self could clear up pretty easily. And we are now 1.5 patches into prelude to Endwalker and we aren't using the echo or the Azem stone to answer lingering questions.

[MoofiaBossVal]

For Sharlayan to learn from Amaurot is not so far fetched of a concept. It doesn't matter if the WOL is or is not an Archon. It comes down to them characteristically not getting involved when clearly things are so out of control it will engulf them and if they wait till the last moment they will make a mistake trying to save themselves that echos through time for generations. It's a pretty astute observation on the part of symbiote129.

I didn't disagree over the Amaurot-Sharylayan parallels; I've talked about them before. But the WoL - a foreigner - frowning and shaking his head at the Forum and saying "no, you're wrong" isn't going to have anywhere near the same weight as when Azem did it with his peers at the Convocation. The only real hope is that Alphinaud can convince his dad to go up to the Forum and talk to them.

[KageTokage]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Old Sharlayan and any potential precursors came about specifically to ensure any remaining knowledge of the Ancients wouldn't fall into the wrong hands.

Even moreso if it turns out the Sundering was an orchestrated event that did not happen strictly as a means to shackle Zodiark but to also prevent mankind from ever again bringing about the circumstances that lead to the Final Days in the first place.

[symbiote129]

The Source's version of Ronka is Allag, but the Sharlayans are all super versed in Allagan tech and likely have it completely unlocked. Which is why Sage has the funnels. I'd say you're on a good thought train though, since in Gubal HM the final boss is an Owl just the same as the owl in Ronka. Though I think the new job will be from/related to Radz-at-han or somewhere we've already been... or perhaps just a person and not a place.

Well...I was thinking along the lines that since the First is a result of the original star being split into Source + 13 splitters, 14 worlds in total (7 gone, 1 being the Void, the Source, The First and the other unexplored splitters), I was thinking of the possibility that as there have been many ancient civilizations that have come and gone in the Source, the Source version of the Ronkan civilization being a predecessor of the Allag Empire might not be too far-fetched as well.

Remember that the Source had multiple times civilization ending events that are the Umbral Calamities, with the 7th one I guess being the weakest, only affecting Eorzea drastically and multiple times knowledge of the past became lost or at their best preservation, became murky at least.

I mean in-universe a handful or a dozen? of people of the recent Astral Era only knew that the Allag royal line is actually still alive after 5 Umbral Calamities, then there is the Dragonsong War which had an unclear history until it was cleared up in the story (like the Pope knew the true history actually and the previous popes most likely as well), then there is the Azim-Steppe (or maybe Azem Steppe?) which has the House of the Crooked Coin which is mentioned to be Allag-related as the place where Dalamud had been raised is very close (their legend about it might have preserved that event but if it's orally passed then it's really subject to change over time unfortunately), the Amaurot ruins might still exist in the Source if it weren't for the fact the planet faced multiple Umbral Calamities, making the preservation of the existence of the ruins a difficult task (Ironic that one the Ascians finding it unfortunate that nobody remembers them at all and causing the calamities) and many more examples where history is not what it seems even without the involvement of an Umbral Calamity.

As to where I might place this hypothetical Source version of Ronka, it might be after or before the First Umbral Calamity happened. I would place it in the First Astral Ara which is said to be Age of Man if it weren't for the fact there are no Umbral Calamities in the existing Splitterworlds and other factors why I'm undecided like of my previous assertions counts as well as the history of Planet Hydaelyn has become really murky and the only ones who could possibly tell us the whole truth are either incapacitated (Hydaelyn, Midgarsormr) or doesn't exist among the living anymore (the Unsundered Ones/Paragons).

---to be continued

[symbiote129]

---Continuation of a previous entry

With the "murky" case, some people say the Age of Gods is where the Twelve (Venat and her cohorts are the possible candidates) is said in legends to have existed. Since an Umbral Calamity is often connected to the destruction of a Splitterworld, that would mean in the Age of Gods the First and in turn the "primal" Hydaelyn we know, already existed and there is also other can of worms with the worlds having some kind of extreme time difference (when Ardbert and his friends returned to their world with the help of Minfilia/Hydaelyn it happened a century ago for the First that we visit but for us Source people it happened months? before, time really be wonky for different worlds).

And also a job being given by a Sharlayan but the source is not Sharlayan is not exactly new (i.e. Summoner job crystal)

I didn't disagree over the Amaurot-Sharylayan parallels; I've talked about them before. But the WoL - a foreigner - frowning and shaking his head at the Forum and saying "no, you're wrong" isn't going to have anywhere near the same weight as when Azem did it with his peers at the Convocation. The only real hope is that Alphinaud can convince his dad to go up to the Forum and talk to them.

With my "upset" statement I was more thinking of a roaring anger and is Sharlayan that really so closed off from the rest of the world that nobody from their people ever heard of the WOL's exploits and fame and reason themselves that helping him/her might be good for the long run?

[Vyrerus]

Murky

The thing about that is, Ronka, just as Allag, was created as a puppet state for the Ascians by the Ascians, so that they could control most of the world. The Shards(splitterworlds as you call them), are the same. A pair of Ascians goes to each one, sets up shop, and drives the planet towards a calamitous state.

The empires aren't built to last, and they fade out eventually on their own, because they are designed to crumble. Though they also seem to be designed to leave behind just enough technology, and aetherial tools that each age of man advances in some respect, so that the Ascians may play them more easily.

[symbiote129]

Wait a sec...where did you get the information that Ronka was an Ascian doing? Is it officially stated somewhere that most of the ancient civilizations are done of Ascian hand?

[Cilia]

Yeah, Ronka was never set up as an Ascian puppet state AFAIK. Emet-Selch does say he set up many imperial nations across the shards, but Ronka is never stated to be one of them.

Or is there something in the Qitari beast tribe quests I'm not seeing (cuz I don't like crafting in this game anymore)?

[Rannie]

From what I've done of the Qitari it doesn't mention the Ascians at all.. though I haven't hit rank 8 and I'm just rank 7 but still ..