Criticism of Shadowbringers and the hostility there in

[Jojoya]

This expansion did see several cuts, and thats still worth criticizing, which every consumer has a right to do. One of the main issues with FFXIV is the lack of it as it stands, no company or game is infallable, and no company or game should be held above it.

And the credits mean nothing, they had a large team work on the 5.0 patch story and content, which was then reduced to a smaller team to work on the fureture patches.

We also got new content this expansion to offset the reduction in other content. The Firmament is completely new content. We likely would have had Island Sanctuaries this expansion if not for COVID screwing up the development schedule (it was teased at the 2018 FanFest so we know it was already in development). Save the Queen is getting multiple raid instances where Eureka only had one and Diadem had none. Dungeons might have been hit but we got other new content to offset them.

Did we end up with slightly less overall content this expansion? Yes, but the reduction is not as great as some players want to make it seem. I'm far happier with less content if it means quality is maintained over more mediocre content released just for the sake of saying "we gave you more content". Pushing bad content to release is a waste of everyone's time, both developer and player.

[Caurcas]

No amount of niche content will fix busted, and/or boring gameplay systems.

[Iscah]

Save the Queen is getting multiple raid instances where Eureka only had one and Diadem had none.

Diadem had the "emergency mission" that would spawn randomly in the instance.

[KizuyaKatogami]

New to this thread but just wanted to give my thoughts. I think it’s a huge known problem with this game and it’s community that any criticism towards it is met with a lot of hate. This expansion it’s been especially prevalent with a lot of the cut content that’s occurred. The pandemic can partially be to blame yes but there’s also a lot of other things that you can’t really blame the pandemic on but people use it as a crutch anyways. I wish the community would be more open to criticism because in the end criticism is what helps the game grow and get better and i can’t help but think with the way criticism is treated now the community is going to be the death of the game eventually.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

New to this thread but just wanted to give my thoughts. I think it’s a huge known problem with this game and it’s community that any criticism towards it is met with a lot of hate. This expansion it’s been especially prevalent with a lot of the cut content that’s occurred. The pandemic can partially be to blame yes but there’s also a lot of other things that you can’t really blame the pandemic on but people use it as a crutch anyways. I wish the community would be more open to criticism because in the end criticism is what helps the game grow and get better and i can’t help but think with the way criticism is treated now the community is going to be the death of the game eventually.

And yet, when people point out that, content for content, there has been just as much as previous expansions, if not more in some areas, we get "well that doesn't count" because reasons.

[strawberrycake]

And yet, when people point out that, content for content, there has been just as much as previous expansions, if not more in some areas, we get "well that doesn't count" because reasons.

The content given as replacements, has been mediocre at best and shallow at worse, the Firmament made beast tribes moot, you spend more time outside of Bozja then in Bozja for your relic and it just makes you do older content over creating new content within Bozj, those are two examples.

It would have made more sense to increas exp gains along with the streamline process of the crafter and gatherers and the systems they interact with thus making it more accessible you have a reason to interact with the world no matter how small, the amount of gil needed is now reduced, its not so daunting, thus encouraging new players to learn lore if they want, explore more and see the world designs more outside the msq, and encouraged people to get their aether currents. Not every zone needs it and that would make people care for them more.
One of the biggest issues with the Firmamament is the fact that it removes the players from the world, thus making player interaction between older and newer players lower throughout the games world, anyone who cares about gathering and crafting will be there now or in the diadem, no long populating and dotting the areas of the world like before. It makes doing beast tribes moot outside of hair and and emotes and glam, and if they wanted to they could have put that in the firmament as well. It essentially is just repeat content, so were the beast tribes you may say, but they at least had the bonus of a uniqe story and player interaction within the zones.

It would have made more sense to take a look at Eureka, and its flawed designs, how older steps were made more difficult and how content like BA was yes, directly made for the hardcore audience, with casuals who may have wanted to try feeling intimidated and left out, missing out. Eureka was very exclusive to many who were not max lvl when Anemos came out, it was hard for people who were too busy at times, and in the end will probably be one of the harder set of relics to obtain.
One of the biggest issues with Bozja is how it essentially repeated all of that part ofr part, they've made many changes now, but those thigs should have been there from the start, thats not also mentioning how we dont really even spend time in Bozja for the relic, you dont need Bozja for the relic, outside 2-3 (i may be wrong) instances you need story progression, and I think it truly only counts for Delebrum for the current step. They could have taken all the feed back and made Bozja into Eureka 2.0, more inclusive, more accessible, and with the additions of Castrum Lactus Litore, and Delebrum Reginae, it would have trumped so much of what Eureka was.

[LaylaTsarra]

And yet, when people point out that, content for content, there has been just as much as previous expansions, if not more in some areas, we get "well that doesn't count" because reasons.

It's not what they want so it doesn't count. The it's all about me and what I like brigade loves to push there is less content mantra cause it fits their agenda.

[strawberrycake]

It's not what they want so it doesn't count. The it's all about me and what I like brigade loves to push there is less content mantra cause it fits their agenda.

You are truly missing the point then which is sad.

Unless you can break down how all of the current content is better then what was offered in stormblood?

[LaylaTsarra]

You are truly missing the point then which is sad.

I'm not missing the point. I see it very clearly. I prefer not to waste my time arguing with those who prefer to push their less content agenda. I've got tons of stuff to do in game. Let's be sure to push the less dungeons tune too while we're at it cause everyone loves to run dungeons.