Criticism of Shadowbringers and the hostility there in

[KizuyaKatogami]

The content given as replacements, has been mediocre at best and shallow at worse, the Firmament made beast tribes moot, you spend more time outside of Bozja then in Bozja for your relic and it just makes you do older content over creating new content within Bozj, those are two examples.

It would have made more sense to increas exp gains along with the streamline process of the crafter and gatherers and the systems they interact with thus making it more accessible you have a reason to interact with the world no matter how small, the amount of gil needed is now reduced, its not so daunting, thus encouraging new players to learn lore if they want, explore more and see the world designs more outside the msq, and encouraged people to get their aether currents. Not every zone needs it and that would make people care for them more.
One of the biggest issues with the Firmamament is the fact that it removes the players from the world, thus making player interaction between older and newer players lower throughout the games world, anyone who cares about gathering and crafting will be there now or in the diadem, no long populating and dotting the areas of the world like before. It makes doing beast tribes moot outside of hair and and emotes and glam, and if they wanted to they could have put that in the firmament as well. It essentially is just repeat content, so were the beast tribes you may say, but they at least had the bonus of a uniqe story and player interaction within the zones.

It would have made more sense to take a look at Eureka, and its flawed designs, how older steps were made more difficult and how content like BA was yes, directly made for the hardcore audience, with casuals who may have wanted to try feeling intimidated and left out, missing out. Eureka was very exclusive to many who were not max lvl when Anemos came out, it was hard for people who were too busy at times, and in the end will probably be one of the harder set of relics to obtain.
One of the biggest issues with Bozja is how it essentially repeated all of that part ofr part, they've made many changes now, but those thigs should have been there from the start, thats not also mentioning how we dont really even spend time in Bozja for the relic, you dont need Bozja for the relic, outside 2-3 (i may be wrong) instances you need story progression, and I think it truly only counts for Delebrum for the current step. They could have taken all the feed back and made Bozja into Eureka 2.0, more inclusive, more accessible, and with the additions of Castrum Lactus Litore, and Delebrum Reginae, it would have trumped so much of what Eureka was.

Thank you for putting it in better words than i could’ve. Just these two pieces of content alone yeah you can tell.

[BlitzAceRush]

There always seems to be a pattern to these convocations about Shadowbringers "lack of content" It starts off about this lack, then when someone points out that it's more just a reshuffling as where one area lost out another gained it shifts to "Ah well this or that content was bad!" Yes, and? Firstly that moves the convocation out of the realm objectivity and into subjectivity and secondly a piece of contend not being to someone liking or being implemented in a way some find poor doesn't suddenly make an expansion bad. Heavensward is held by many as the best expansion, it's also the expansion that added the Diadem, content still cursed by some, is Heavensward by extension a bad expansion simply because some people don't like some of the content?

Shadowbringers has as much content as the other expansions, we can all argue if we like it or not, or enjoy what area go focused on more than what received less focus but that is all subjective, Shadowbringers broke records and was a huge success for SE, we few on the fourms can say whatever we want if everything else is saying the expansion was a hit.

As for my own personal thoughts, I overall am very happy, loved the story and I enjoy crafting and gathering so enjoyed them getting a lot of focus, as for Bozja, I like it with my only disappointment being that they listened to the complaints from Eurela about not wanting to have to do it all inside the zones, so we ended up with this strange hybrid. I hated a lot of things about Eureka but liked the core concept and in many ways they fixed all the issues I had with it, Eureka was my first even finished Relic so I was looking forward to Bozja and wish it was all contained inside, but I do understand that was them trying to address a complaint and otherwise got a lot of things I wanted fixed about the content addressed so I'm happy overall.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I'm not missing the point. I see it very clearly. I prefer not to waste my time arguing with those who prefer to push their less content agenda. I've got tons of stuff to do in game. Let's be sure to push the less dungeons tune too while we're at it cause everyone loves to run dungeons.

Except even with less dungeons, they still can’t even give us dyable dungeon gear or non-reused dungeon gear.(Gotta love having shire gear for the 5.2 dungeon lmao)

[KizuyaKatogami]

Eureka: people complained they HAD to do Eureka to get the relic and couldn't do normal content stuff like in the past.

Bozja: can do some normal content stuff to get the relic like in the past.

Firmament doesn't take anything away from beast tribes, unless you only do them for EXP. I've never had the option to do beast tribes for EXP, so that must be nice. Hell, I didn't have the option to do Firmament for EXP.

We got essentially 2 extra alliance raids with Bozja, compared to three we normally get. I found both of them fun, but then, I find most content in this game fun. Its why I still play it 10 years later. (or 8 if you want to nitpick ARR)
The reason people constantly have issues with criticism on these boards, is that its almost always "this thing sucks, they should have just done something else, or done a better version of the thing we hated before, even though this is similar to that and many would consider it an upgrade to said content" or my favorite "they should turn this game into a different game by changing core game aspects because us people who liked that game want it in this game too" despite people liking the way this game is...

The problem with Bozja is i do Bozja to do ShB content. I didn’t order and buy shadowbringers to play heavensward arr or sb. The bozja relic, to do it efficiently, requires you to revisit Arr,Hw,and SB raids/content. That’s horrible design. Instead of making the actual instance have more variety they instead just turned it back into Heavensward relics of run this old stale content 20 times. It feels like a large time sink just to keep people subbed.Yes bozja has given us two raid-like things but again, that came at the cost of extra dungeons, and an entire deep dungeon which would’ve featured more content than those two raids do. People just seem way too sensitive to criticism with this game which i mean...that’s the community as a whole but i digress.

[linayar]

Great! Then this game can go buy to play and they can just give us server access!

For what reason? They'd have to earn income to pay for cost elsewhere and people are already mad about the current online store.

I don't see how a subscription has anything to do with schedules.

When you don't want to/cant play, you don't have to pay. You'd still be able to do most contents that were released when you didn't susbscribe.

Because it has nothing to do with it.

Of course it does. It has nothing to do with anything else but the time when you want to have server access.

I didn’t order and buy shadowbringers to play heavensward arr or sb.

Well, that's just not how this game works. Contents from multiple expansions are still usable for various means. The expansions are actual expansions to the game, not their own separate game where you completely leave out contents from previous expansions. Of course, you can limit yourself to playing contents from the current expansion, but that's your own choice to do.

[SturmChurro]

For what reason? They'd have to earn income to pay for cost elsewhere and people are already mad about the current online store.

They would be (and already are) earning income, from people buying the game, expansion, and mogstation 'content', what is the purpose of the sub at that point?

[linayar]

They would be earning income, from people buying the game, expansion, and mogstation 'content', what is the purpose of the sub at that point?

Paying the cost for using the server.

[SturmChurro]

Paying the cost for using the server.

Does the prior income earned not already pay the cost for using the server?

[ZedxKayn]

When you don't want to/cant play, you don't have to pay. You'd still be able to do most contents that were released when you didn't susbscribe.

Oh, that explains why I need to sub to League of Legends, Left 4 Dead, ESO, Overwatch, etc... when I want to play.

Oh wait.

[linayar]

Oh, that explains why I need to sub to League of Legends, Left 4 Dead, ESO, Overwatch, etc... when I want to play.

Oh wait.

Sorry? Was I speaking about other games? No, I was speaking about FFXIV and what subscription in FFXIV gives you.