"Play XIV if(cont)" and"you have a responsibility to" are not statements that coexist

[LisSquid]

If you are doing the mechanics correctly without any death and hitting enrage but with relatively poor DPS compared to the majority of parsers, why is that considered poor play? PVE is supposed to be player vs environment, not a competition between you and another player.

I'd argue that hitting enrage means you're either not doing the mechanics correctly or playing your class incorrectly. If all the other players in the parse are doing well, and you're the one with poor dps in that situation? That is on you. When I say parse, I also don't mean your damage. I mean the entire metric in the fight. Avoidable damage smacked by, APM, the whole shibbang.


As for the virtue of parsing: There are many factors in a parse that are useful to a fight, and, to be honest, pure damage is only the third or fourth thing I look at. Content below EX has no place in parsing, but you don't really need to look at a chart to see who is performing poorly in those fights as it is both obvious and inconsequential to people getting through the content.

IS IT happening that often though?
Seems like no one is having this issue nearly as often as OP claims to be.
I think opening threads about this is their hobby...

I was thinking the exact same thing. Or perhaps OP jumped into a farm party and got asked why they couldn't hang? That seems to be the key root of a lot of these threads

[linayar]

I'd argue that hitting enrage...

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Maybe I should edit my post.

EDIT:

As for the virtue of parsing...

Is not being argued, but will everyone who parse consider all those factors or will there be people who just look at one set of numbers?

And agreed regarding the point about the normal content.

[LisSquid]

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Maybe I should edit my post.

Oh, then I agree completely. Carry on!

[strawberrycake]

will everyone who parse consider all those factors or will there be people who just look at one set of numbers?

As someone who regularly parses in PF for EX and savage, parses in WoW for Heroic and Mythic, you have to account for more then just numbers, are you dodging, are you doing your rotation right, are you constantly casting, people always confuse parsing with just raw damage, but ACT (FFXIV), Details/Recount/Skada(WoW) Actively shows you a break down of what each person in the fight is doing, it shows you when and where they took uneeded damage and in some cases if they're even doing their rotation right.

Now with FFXIV in mind, and all that in mind, you can't blame someone who doesnt wanna carry dead weight/a lazy player/a newer player all the time for the sake of being nice, or dealing with people getting mad you kicked someone/them dming you,its ofc not something that happens all the time, but those things do happen. Wouldn;t it be more pragmatic to present factual data, showing as to why?

In WoW, ironically enough I've seen more cases of people improving from seeing where and why they're messing up, over feeling attacked and not wanting to play the game (in my experience of course) the parses and data from them have helped their raiding community become huge over the last 2 decades, and as someone actively involved in it, I still see plenty of newer players getting better having this data to help them.

In FF you have the balance, but getting people to even join it is a hassle, and you hear and see terms like "meta" thrown around, but learning a proper opener isn't meta, its literally the only way to play your class since FF doesnt have builds and variable rotations like other MMOs, literally playing any other way is just lost damage, and you;re dragging others down. I dont know about anyone else, but thats toxic outside of like roulettes given how they're scaled, and that depends on what you get in roulettes to because of the scaling on top of that.

In the end, Data isn't toxic, how you present it is, and people are flawed, don't do away with data because people can be toxic, they'll find new ways to be toxic, instead encourage proper interactions and being considerate, but that also requires the Dev Team and Community team being more hands on, and thats a whole other problem for the game.