What change do you want to see on your main class for Endwalker ?

[Raikai]

It would be really cool if machinists animations also change as they.level up or somthing that instead of oversized pistols you start using 2 handed rifles

Along with a class redo that is >.> its rather boring and frustrating at the same time

I mean, the class rework maybe simplified things too much mechanically, but at least there's space for complexification in EW.

Aesthetically, they hit the mark... The tools are a wonderful addition that makes the job feel like a true machinist other than just a gunner. The only thing about the gunslinger aspect of the job that feels off is the 1-2-3 combo being so visually busy. Before it was a proc, so it was okay to be flashy since you didn't necessarily see it all the time, but now (to me at least) gets a bit tiring and the repetition kills the visual hype a bit.

[ItMe]

I mean, the class rework maybe simplified things too much mechanically, but at least there's space for complexification in EW.

Do we know they are looking to make things more complex?
Last time I heard Yoshi shared their philosophy on that they said (before ShadowBringers) they were looking to make jobs simpler and fights more complex.
Have we any indication they've changed course on that already?

[CKNovel]

Do we know they are looking to make things more complex?
Last time I heard Yoshi shared their philosophy on that they said (before ShadowBringers) they were looking to make jobs simpler and fights more complex.
Have we any indication they've changed course on that already?

Last indications were:
-We want more Abilities like PLD Wings (Please no more button "hold and don't move")
-Melee will be simpler and ranged won't always have the upper hand.

[Raikai]

Do we know they are looking to make things more complex?
Last time I heard Yoshi shared their philosophy on that they said (before ShadowBringers) they were looking to make jobs simpler and fights more complex.
Have we any indication they've changed course on that already?

Even so, I feel that MCH got stripped of so many layers of gameplay complexity that at this rate, they can use anything to make it more interesting... let it be a Wildfire rework, or a new lv90 thing, while keeping the simpler approach. I absolutely hated the SB iteration because of the RNG of the 1-2-3 combo (even optimizing the ammo usage, you'd still be prone to RNG a lot of times), the ping unfriendly Wildfire and the absolute clunky usage of Flamethrower. I'm glad those are gone for, but at the same time, the job became more or less braindead, which is way below the "keep it simple" threshold.

For example, BLM is the type of job that I literally can't see going anywhere other than just spell upgrades for added visuals.

[Aiscence]

Even so, I feel that MCH got stripped of so many layers of gameplay complexity that at this rate, they can use anything to make it more interesting... let it be a Wildfire rework, or a new lv90 thing, while keeping the simpler approach. I absolutely hated the SB iteration because of the RNG of the 1-2-3 combo (even optimizing the ammo usage, you'd still be prone to RNG a lot of times), the ping unfriendly Wildfire and the absolute clunky usage of Flamethrower. I'm glad those are gone for, but at the same time, the job became more or less braindead, which is way below the "keep it simple" threshold.

For example, BLM is the type of job that I literally can't see going anywhere other than just spell upgrades for added visuals.

I absolutely loved SB's mch, it wasn't as random as people made it to be, a red mage or a dancer are wayyyy more random, and it wasnt impacting you as much, as the biggest dps was during 10 seconds. i'm totally with you for the lag part tho, not like people asked for a 11 sec WF/gcd based to compensate it for 2 years. I actually didnt mind flamethrower, as it was adding a layer of complexity and it asn't actually that bad after getting used to.
There isnt really any complexity left to mch anymore, I think it's the dps with the lowest different between a low percentile a high one? you can optimize the use of Barrel stab to have one more hypercharge, summon your turret to catch the buffs and that's it.

[Kabooa]

I absolutely loved SB's mch, it wasn't as random as people made it to be, a red mage or a dancer are wayyyy more random, and it wasnt impacting you as much, as the biggest dps was during 10 seconds. i'm totally with you for the lag part tho, not like people asked for a 11 sec WF/gcd based to compensate it for 2 years. I actually didnt mind flamethrower, as it was adding a layer of complexity and it asn't actually that bad after getting used to.
There isnt really any complexity left to mch anymore, I think it's the dps with the lowest different between a low percentile a high one? you can optimize the use of Barrel stab to have one more hypercharge, summon your turret to catch the buffs and that's it.

I'd argue ShB isn't that different from StB for Mach in terms of overall depth.

If you didn't crit during wildfire, it didn't matter what you had as a set up going into it. 5 Crit Cooldowns beats double Clean non-crits.

The variance is pretty easy to explain. The Hypercharge/Wildfire window in StB was much more strict, and as it was where we shoved something like 40% of our damage, it swinging high or low widened the end-result band. Mucking up wildfire was the only thing we could really do wrong, but doing it wrong lead to massive differences.

Also given it measured primarily by tDPS, party composition influenced this more. Did you get cards? Was there a Dragoon? A ninja? Were buffs lined up? The perfect comp opener with a 5-crit wildfire could jump your final tally so high that perfect execution by someone without would never be able to compare.

So in ShB, we have a flattened wildfire result (6 GCds will result in a standard 1200 potency for everyone), no RNG combos (not a big deal, but it could matter), two big potency dumps to cornerstone the rotation around, and a flexible dump in the Robot. The higher cast of repeated actions means they're much more likely to normalize, and you'll note your best runs are going to be disproportionate DCrit strings on AA and Robot.

The shift of measuring metric for our data contributes as well. I bet if older data were recalculated using current methods, you'd see Mach's band tighten considerably. Not to the extent now, due to the above mentioned, but tighten none the less.

A dragoon alone was close to an 8-10% boost, and despite claims to the contrary, parties existed without them, and Machinists were in those parties, and that data was uploaded.

[CKNovel]

I'd argue ShB isn't that different from StB for Mach in terms of overall depth.

SB MCH was:
Wildfire combo -> 1-2-3+use GR/Ricochet+Reset Hot shot buffs -> Repeat every 60 seconds.
It wasn't a complicated job, simply that if you were lagging, your damage would drop. And flamethrower had a habit of suffering to packet loss.
HW MCH was much more complex with Mildfire and full Wildfire.

SB MCH wasn't tested either, at release Overheat status would grant 10% damage and it was quickly pointed as not worth compared to the Cooldown downtime.
That's right, the whole Heat mechanic was flawed at the release.

On top of that, damage could make a massive jump if you had a dragoon. And crits within Wildfire aswell, I think in the endgame Wildfire could go between 30k to 60k?
In any cases, you had to play with RNG, the proc RNG and the crit RNG. I wouldn't go back to SB MCH, even when doing weekly dungeon I played Samurai instead.

I doubt ranged are the top priority of SQEX, but I'd really like if Yoshida could share a bit more about their plan for jobs, especially SCH/SMN, healers and ranged.
So far for MCH, I think they need 4 things: Make something different during 123, Less heatblast spamming, make the Queen more than a glorified dot and no more AoE/ST shared cooldown.

[Kabooa]

I doubt ranged are the top priority of SQEX, but I'd really like if Yoshida could share a bit more about their plan for jobs, especially SCH/SMN, healers and ranged.
So far for MCH, I think they need 4 things: Make something different during 123, Less heatblast spamming, make the Queen more than a glorified dot and no more AoE/ST shared cooldown.

I'd let the robot contribute to Wildfire. Adds more weight to gauge expenditure, and if the 5 second wind up before the robot does anything isn't supposed to be for coordinated set up, it should be.

Reassemble having specialized bonuses for each gadget and Clean shot to vary its best use cases. Examples -
1. Drill is the Auto DCrit. Your basic standby to judge the others.
2. Bio Blaster has its DoT extended.
3. Air Anchor builds additional battery
4. Clean Shot hits twice.

I'm mostly okay with Heated shot, but its primary function (1.5 / ammo charges) could easily be ported to just Overheat in general, and Heated Shot can be an overheat finisher. Like it deals 100 + an additional strike of 50 for every previous weaponskill used during overheat.

Tie it all together, and your wildfire window is 60 minimum gauge Robot, a couple filler gcds, then OH/WF, 1 - 2 - Reassemble Clean - 1 - Heatblast - 2. Six hits from the robot, ten from the player, eleven if we count the extra clean for Heat Blast.

A cursory glance would show this Machinist at about 6% higher than current, but if that's too great, we can turn back the potency buff given to the 123 combo and that would bring it to around 3%.

For those curious, this total package, executed well, would mean wildfire for an i530 machinist goes from ~80,000 to ~215,000. Peeling back the potency buff means between 50k and 65k of that is removed from the 123 combo.

[Jirah]

I doubt ranged are the top priority of SQEX, but I'd really like if Yoshida could share a bit more about their plan for jobs, especially SCH/SMN, healers and ranged.
So far for MCH, I think they need 4 things: Make something different during 123, Less heatblast spamming, make the Queen more than a glorified dot and no more AoE/ST shared cooldown.

You and me both CK but lets see how this pans out. My biggest fears is it gets more aoes but not fixing its current ones having no interplay or central mechanic besides auto spam. As a result its ST kit is the same **** as before which will just about kill the job for me and ill move on to better ones

[Raikai]

I absolutely loved SB's mch, it wasn't as random as people made it to be, a red mage or a dancer are wayyyy more random, and it wasnt impacting you as much, as the biggest dps was during 10 seconds. i'm totally with you for the lag part tho, not like people asked for a 11 sec WF/gcd based to compensate it for 2 years. I actually didnt mind flamethrower, as it was adding a layer of complexity and it asn't actually that bad after getting used to.
There isnt really any complexity left to mch anymore, I think it's the dps with the lowest different between a low percentile a high one? you can optimize the use of Barrel stab to have one more hypercharge, summon your turret to catch the buffs and that's it.

I think the sour feeling with the RNG that I used to get wouldn't be as bad if I could see more dps impact outside of Wildfire phases back then. My feeling is that the 1-2-3 fillers were the wrong place to add such RNG, and that's currently my biggest gripe with DNC and the way that RNG is tied to another RNG that plays detrimental part on the job playing smooth with having spare feathers to weave in.

On Flamethrower, it indeed added complexity but it was very weird to have your biggest lv70 spell to be purposedly cut right after it goes off just to force the Overheat and that be the optimal use of that ability.