DPS who pull mobs

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

this reads like back peddling because people didn't agree with you, tbh.

"this is an old attitude from years ago I've, I've grown past this!" doesn't really land well when you've spent several pages defending that attitude and using current and future language like "am," will," and "are."

And here it is...rofl. Just as predicted
Im not gonna bother debating it, because its just gonna needlessly reignite the argument that Im trying to squash.
Its up to you if you wanna listen to and understand what I typed.

[Mavrias]

And here it is...rofl. Just as predicted
Im not gonna bother debating it, because its just gonna needlessly reignite the argument that Im trying to squash.
Its up to you if you wanna listen to and understand what I typed.

hey man I understand what you typed, it just doesn't sound honest based on the previous eight posts. you don't really need to debate it if you don't want to, its just my opinion, not something I'm presenting as a hard fact.

you know the truth of your playstyle, whether its what I think or not, and thats all that matters.

[Awha]

And here it is...rofl. Just as predicted
Im not gonna bother debating it, because its just gonna needlessly reignite the argument that Im trying to squash.
Its up to you if you wanna listen to and understand what I typed.

Did that back pedal give ya whiplash? Kinda hard to believe you meant past tense especially when my posts were hypothetical situations and you answered them with the stance of letting the person die.

So why answer hypothetical situations given to you know with a mindset you had 4 years ago?

Seems weird.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Did that back pedal give ya whiplash? Kinda hard to believe you meant past tense especially when my posts were hypothetical situations and you answered them with the stance of letting the person die.

So why answer hypothetical situations given to you know with a mindset you had 4 years ago?

Seems weird.

There is no Backpedal, I didnt make it clear from the beginning that everything was suppose to be a joke in reflection to back when I 1st started in HW. Everything I posted was real, back in HW.
And I didnt realize or think about that until I was asked "Who wouldn't Let you Tank?" And I replied "..are you asking me to go back 5 years ago to find the name of the people who wouldn't let me tank?"
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5527409

Thats when I realized people were taking me seriously, and that I didn't make something clear.
But hey, my bad, my fault, I tried to explain it, but...Internet is gonna internet XD

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Apparently according to one of my FCmate who made an alt in JP DC stated that the ‘You pull you tank it’-practice is more common over there because the mindset was something around “I assume you can tank better than I do because you pulled it, not me.”

Is this one of those different perks from each DC? It would be nice if I can get an enlightenment from another player here who plays in JP DC. I am genuinely interested to know

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Apparently according to one of my FCmate who made an alt in JP DC stated that the ‘You pull you tank it’-practice is more common over there because the mindset was something around “I assume you can tank better than I do because you pulled it, not me.”

Is this one of those different perks from each DC? It would be nice if I can get an enlightenment from another player here who plays in JP DC. I am genuinely interested to know

I think it would make sense in a way, because these Data Centers are in different parts of the world, so its not far-fetched to think they have different Mindsets or "Rules of Engagement" so to speak. I hear one more big difference is NA will make a million threads and comment and fight. While JP will make a thread, and people just upvote if they agree.

I mean I only HEARD about this, I dont know how accurate it is

[Kolsykol]

Apparently according to one of my FCmate who made an alt in JP DC stated that the ‘You pull you tank it’-practice is more common over there because the mindset was something around “I assume you can tank better than I do because you pulled it, not me.”

Is this one of those different perks from each DC? It would be nice if I can get an enlightenment from another player here who plays in JP DC. I am genuinely interested to know

Maybe it's me being Swedish but I just think it's really rude and people acting outside of their role due to immature impatience ( there's obviously exceptions to this where tanks are insanely slow, but I am not talking about those ).
Like I dunno how it is in other countries but apparently Swedes respecting standing in line to things and respecting personal space and boundaries is shocking to foreigners, so maybe subconsciously it's just me taking the unwritten rules more seriously.

On a personal level I also just feel like it's indicative of a sort of decline of MMO's where they're becoming less and less social and people treat them more and more like singleplayer games.
I remember back in Vanilla and TBC WoW where you actually had to work more together and when sheeping, sapping, spell steal etc actually mattered.
Now granted part of this is just an increase in player skill too, in Classic WoW people don't do this anymore either because people today are just a lot better.
But when I played Classic again I still felt like interacting with players and things being more structured was more important.

Like to me it's just something sad and depressing about dps pulling, about what it represents to me.
If someone chose to play Tank because that's what they wanted to do I just think it's kinda disrespectful and obnoxious to step on their toes.
I see it as you interfering with their fun and what they chose.

It's a different matter ofc if it's out of necessity, so RDM ressing or healing for example to save the day.
But I think that if someone else chose to play a Tank and you pull as dps then you're compromising the fantasy and enjoyment of that other player, and it strikes me personally as extremely self-centered.
Which again I suppose might be a cultural thing, where it's all about the '' me '' instead of the '' us ''.

In Scandinavia it's called '' Jantelagen '', https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante .
I mean you shouldn't take it literally lol, it sounds way worse than it actually is it was originally meant as satire.
But it still comes from a somewhat true place.

I think that it has to do with how on a cultural level in some countries people historically were more community driven, so everyone knew each other and worked more together.
While in a lot of other countries people were more fending for themselves, in the US for example it's all about standing out and proving how amazing and how much better than everyone else you are.
Probably has a lot to do with how young the country is, just people moving to a new place and having to start from scratch with no established communities.
And US culture does influence a lot of us because of how prominent it is online, which isn't quite as true for the Japanese due to language barriers.
So in Japan it's more like '' we're doing this together, so don't step out of line '' while I feel like a lot of people in NA and even the EU treat other people more like a burden.

[Kuroka]

I think that it has to do with how on a cultural level in some countries people historically were more community driven, so everyone knew each other and worked more together.
While in a lot of other countries people were more fending for themselves, in the US for example it's all about standing out and proving how amazing and how much better than everyone else you are.
Probably has a lot to do with how young the country is, just people moving to a new place and having to start from scratch with no established communities.
And US culture does influence a lot of us because of how prominent it is online, which isn't quite as true for the Japanese due to language barriers.
So in Japan it's more like '' we're doing this together, so don't step out of line '' while I feel like a lot of people in NA and even the EU treat other people more like a burden.

Such true words... on tanks it sucks , its one thing if you just drag adds together so he has to run less and can aoe more, but forcing tanks forward sucks, kinda... im all in for faster runs but a slower one every now and then isnt the end of the world.

Just like i hate the opposite of tanks and healers that que for trial/raid with 0 intention to do their role and only do so for faster que - when i que as tank I ALWAYS do with the intention to MT unless the other one is hellbend on doing it lol

[Awha]

There is no Backpedal, I didnt make it clear from the beginning that everything was suppose to be a joke in reflection to back when I 1st started in HW. Everything I posted was real, back in HW.
And I didnt realize or think about that until I was asked "Who wouldn't Let you Tank?" And I replied "..are you asking me to go back 5 years ago to find the name of the people who wouldn't let me tank?"
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5527409

Thats when I realized people were taking me seriously, and that I didn't make something clear.
But hey, my bad, my fault, I tried to explain it, but...Internet is gonna internet XD

Really do not buy it since you were using present tense but it is what it is.

No reasons to try and save face for what it is worth.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Really do not buy it since you were using present tense but it is what it is.

No reasons to try and save face for what it is worth.

You're right. The Internet will internet.
Its not worth it XD - Moving on