DPS who pull mobs

[Mirhd]

Everyone likes to say it's a team effort when talking about things like healer dps or tanks that should peel, but then give selfish dps a pass when *they* don't play with the team.

Thiiiis. So. Much. It's also why I just don't heal or tank dungeons anymore, only trials/raids. Amazing how many people don't see/ignore their own hypocrisy. I'll queue dungeons as dps, and I never pull for the tank. They can take what they want, big or small, and I'll just press my buttons over here.

Except it's not 2 minutes longer it's 7~10.

It's really not. Not unless people are literally just standing there, picking their noses for minutes at a time.

[ZedxKayn]

It's really not. Not unless people are literally just standing their, picking their noses for minutes at a time.

It very much is, and most dungeons have players picking their noses during pulls. People don't realize just how fast a dungeon can be until they themselves perform great and get put in a group that performs just as good. If a dungeon can be done in 10 minutes, why make it 18?

[Lium]

I main WHM and I assume if a tank is pulling smaller, they have a reason. I don't need to know what it is. I'm not the PuG police. If they pull small, I can dps more. It's seriously like 2 minutes longer. And I would rather a tank pull small and keep AoEs out of my face than have tanks pull everything and dance a circle around all the mobs because they somehow think they will take less damage this way, constantly pointing their AoEs right at me in what was formerly a safe spot. This especially cheeses me off with the flans that have donut AoEs mixed with mobs of other types of AoEs.

I stay with my tank and if impatient dps run off out of heal range and die, that's on them. They didn't bring things back. I'm not going to chase them to Narnia and abandon my tank. My tank is the person who keeps my squishy butt alive.

If they pull too much and the tank can't keep up and we wipe, that's on them. If they keep doing it, not paying a bit of attention to what we can handle as a group, then I will be the first person with the finger on the kick button. Everyone likes to say it's a team effort when talking about things like healer dps or tanks that should peel, but then give selfish dps a pass when *they* don't play with the team.

Very much this. AST is my co-main job and it doesn't bother me at all if the tank is pulling small. I'm usually not in a rush when I play a video game because it means I'm on my free time and enjoying my hobby. I'm not in a hurry to get back to standing around in Limsa.

Some people really need to get over themselves.

[Igneous]

Why is humanity so nasty to one another

[LaughingBanana]

Why is humanity so nasty to one another

Over only a couple of minutes difference, no less, hahah.

[LianaThorne]

I feel like the simple solution is to talk to everyone in your party before you start. Like:

- Whether or not the tank wants to pull big
- Whether or not the healer can handle big pulls
- Whether or not the DPS know their AoE rotations down

If the majority is confident in big pulls (especially the healer because if they can't handle it it's ultimately irrelevant since ya'll will just keep dying), then you should do big pulls. If the majority wants small pulls, then do small pulls. If people don't answer (due to them being a bot or just not having an opinion) then whoever is left decides the pace. Anyone breaks that or changes the plan? Kick.

If you want to have constant on-point runs completed in the time limit you want, I would suggest forming a group with people outside so you can be sure you'll get the results you want.

You cannot be guaranteed that in roulettes and the people who want to try to boss around strangers or make it all about their own needs need to also get a grip on their power/ego issues. Hard pill to swallow incoming: The world doesn't revolve around you. It is ultimately a team effort. If you're sick of a group being slow, you can bite the penalty and go take the time to form a group that shares your mentality of how quickly dungeons should be run.

[BaconBits]

I feel like the simple solution is to talk to everyone in your party before you start. Like:

- Whether or not the tank wants to pull big
- Whether or not the healer can handle big pulls
- Whether or not the DPS know their AoE rotations down

If the majority is confident in big pulls (especially the healer because if they can't handle it it's ultimately irrelevant since ya'll will just keep dying), then you should do big pulls. If the majority wants small pulls, then do small pulls. If people don't answer (due to them being a bot or just not having an opinion) then whoever is left decides the pace. Anyone breaks that or changes the plan? Kick.

If you want to have constant on-point runs completed in the time limit you want, I would suggest forming a group with people outside so you can be sure you'll get the results you want.

You cannot be guaranteed that in roulettes and the people who want to try to boss around strangers or make it all about their own needs need to also get a grip on their power/ego issues. Hard pill to swallow incoming: The world doesn't revolve around you. It is ultimately a team effort. If you're sick of a group being slow, you can bite the penalty and go take the time to form a group that shares your mentality of how quickly dungeons should be run.

Why bother talking to your teammates when you can just pull and let Hydaelyn sort out the rest?

[Awha]

Why bother talking to your teammates when you can just pull and let Hydaelyn sort out the rest?

Indeed LOL

[SenorPatty]

Why bother talking to your teammates when you can just pull and let Hydaelyn sort out the rest?

I live by this every day when I tank. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, I adjust, plain and simple. People's ego gets in the way too much at the forefront of what's probably going to be a 15-20min run. And if shit hits the fan and makes the run longer? Dust yourself off and move on.

People putting too much stock on the possibility of wiping or not obeying the unsaid rules of tanking in a game where the devs have gone out of their way to make life easier for everyone-whether they wanted it or not--is just far too comical from where I'm standing.

[Awha]

I live by this every day when I tank. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, I adjust, plain and simple. People's ego gets in the way too much at the forefront of what's probably going to be a 15-20min run. And if shit hits the fan and makes the run longer? Dust yourself off and move on.

People putting too much stock on the possibility of wiping or not obeying the unsaid rules of tanking in a game where the devs have gone out of their way to make life easier for everyone-whether they wanted it or not--is just far too comical from where I'm standing.

This is the main reason no matter the role I play I just pull extra more often then not it goes well enough. Also part of the reason why I do not ask cause often people will either say idc or no simply out of comfort but not for a lack of ability.