DPS who pull mobs

[HisShadowX]

Three things that grind my gears are

1) Healers who DPS rather then Heal or only heal when the tank has less then 15% health left which can be challenging if the pulls are big.

2) DPS that pull instead of the tank.

I have one exception if we are leveling or I am in a random leveling section if a DPS wants to drag some enemies towards me and once I AOE and capture the argo as a tank then the DPS moves behind the enemies I am good

3) DPS back seat drivers. Ever drive and someone in the car who is in the passenger seat or back seat who critiques everything you do in terms of driving?

Yeah that’s them. Often these people offer little to no constructive feed back. Are mass pullers that can cause dungeon wipes. They start drama.

Very few I would say I have experienced are actual good mentors. I have met some great DPS who you can say are like backseat drivers except their feedback is informing and there are things I learned just from these people. Especially being on the PS4 some of these people have gave me tips on things I can do that I had no idea I could do.

The difference between them and the DPS backseat drivers is one is helpful the other is more a critic to everything moving without feedback that helps the entire party.

[HisShadowX]

Maybe the tank accidently dragged and dropped his AOE spell off his bar or switched his bar. Maybe dropping his stance was a misclick. The fact a GM has to search for an entire dungeons battle logs and deduce what happened is absolutely overwhelming. The reason why GM's don't tell people the results and that they are only looking into it is to make players feel satisfied it's getting GM attention. There's a reason vote kicking and leaving a dungeon is an option. GM's are not omnipotent and going to be able deduce small things like a tank purposely letting a DPS die from not hitting his AOE combo based off of combat logs. It's just not realistic, when they are probably understaffed and underpaid and need to get through tons of more reports so they are going to only look for obvious indicators.

In a perfect world those tanks would be punished, I honestly wish they were, I just don't see how that's at all a realistic expectation.

Yeah I know this has happened to me. In my case I was on the PS4. I have skill quickbars for lvl 50,60,70, and 80 to just in case I need to switch on the fly I can do sometimes it’s easy to press the button and not know till you see the enemies attacking other members.

Also after 8 or so dungeon runs sometimes you can be forgetful and press that key button for your stance. It happens and when it happens to me as a DPS and the other DPS start complaining I remind them he just forgot it’s going to be okay lol

When you enter the dungeon in the game the game should automatically toggle the tank stance on and it should be made permanently on.

That would solve a great many issues.

[Anya_Synia]

I never pull mobs except for those couple of times in MSQ roulette where I see how many cutscenes I can trigger before I die. Certainly makes it less mundane and more amusing when I die, even more amusing if my fc run with me and we all do it.

[HisShadowX]

Three things that grind my gears are

1) Healers who DPS rather then Heal or only heal when the tank has less then 15% health left which can be challenging if the pulls are big.

2) DPS that pull instead of the tank.

I have one exception if we are leveling or I am in a random leveling section if a DPS wants to drag some enemies towards me and once I AOE and capture the argo as a tank then the DPS moves behind the enemies I am good

3) DPS back seat drivers. Ever drive and someone in the car who is in the passenger seat or back seat who critiques everything you do in terms of driving?

Yeah that’s them. Often these people offer little to no constructive feed back. Are mass pullers that can cause dungeon wipes. They start drama.

Very few I would say I have experienced are actual good mentors. I have met some great DPS who you can say are like backseat drivers except their feedback is informing and there are things I learned just from these people. Especially being on the PS4 some of these people have gave me tips on things I can do that I had no idea I could do.

The difference between them and the DPS backseat drivers is one is helpful the other is more a critic to everything moving without feedback that helps the entire party.

[ZedxKayn]

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For the healer thing, if you 1) don't die and 2) actually use all of your mitigation, you have nothing to worry about, pop your invuln if you're nervous. As the tank there is no challenge for you in that because your HP is for the healer to worry about, not you. You're saying good healers grind your gears.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

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#1 If you're not dying then it's all good. Their job is to keep you alive through unavoidable damage, not to top you off 99% of time. Heck if they're doing this even in big/wall pulls, they definitely knew what they're doing. Relax, you're in good hands!

#2 I've answered this few pages earlier, but yes when they bring the mob to you there's definitely nothing to fuss about.

#3 Perhaps Vote Dismiss is a good opt to consider at that point. I'm sorry to hear that you had to deal with these 'funny behavior'.

Also, you double posted there, mate xD

[BunniEclair]

#1 If you're not dying then it's all good. Their job is to keep you alive through unavoidable damage, not to top you off 99% of time. Heck if they're doing this even in big/wall pulls, they definitely knew what they're doing. Relax, you're in good hands!

This. I love tanks that trust me in Expert to know when to heal and when to dps. Watching a PLD start spamming clemency at 60% health when I have a bene waiting for them....

If they die they can feel free to be mad about my lack of heals. It rarely happens but when it does I own up to it and apologize. (And 90% of the time it’s not because I was too busy dpsing, it’s because I turned to yell at my cat for eating plastic)

[HisShadowX]

For the healer thing, if you 1) don't die and 2) actually use all of your mitigation, you have nothing to worry about, pop your invuln if you're nervous. As the tank there is no challenge for you in that because your HP is for the healer to worry about, not you. You're saying good healers grind your gears.

The issue with this concept is the majority of the healers who have the mentality of healing once the tank is below 15% typically it causes the tank to die numerous times and often can cause a wipe.

I recently had a wipe after the Healer outright refused to heal and after his lack of healing caused my death and this proceeded for next critical 20 seconds to not heal anyone and keep DPSing. This is a problem and instead of healing he decided once EVERYONE was under 20% health only then did that person resurrect me. At that point I wondered what was the point in even resurrecting myself (which I clicked yes to) because once I finally came to everyone was pretty much dead.

Very few parties I have ever been involved in with a healer who did this did it work out. Some are great multi taskers and that well enough but some seem to forget their role as healer and just flat out fail to heal.

As a tank I should never die unless I messed up the mechanics or pulled way to much and typically I will judge my pulls according to if I notice a healer struggles through large or even medium pulls. I try to graciously go according to what my healer can handle and if it’s a new healer I work with them.

[Jijifli]

The issue with this concept is the majority of the healers who have the mentality of healing once the tank is below 15% typically it causes the tank to die numerous times and often can cause a wipe.

I recently had a wipe after the Healer outright refused to heal and after his lack of healing caused my death and this proceeded for next critical 20 seconds to not heal anyone and keep DPSing. This is a problem and instead of healing he decided once EVERYONE was under 20% health only then did that person resurrect me. At that point I wondered what was the point in even resurrecting myself (which I clicked yes to) because once I finally came to everyone was pretty much dead.

Very few parties I have ever been involved in with a healer who did this did it work out. Some are great multi taskers and that well enough but some seem to forget their role as healer and just flat out fail to heal.

As a tank I should never die unless I messed up the mechanics or pulled way to much and typically I will judge my pulls according to if I notice a healer struggles through large or even medium pulls. I try to graciously go according to what my healer can handle and if it’s a new healer I work with them.

I will say, a healer not remembering to heal you is not the fault of them dpsing, that's the fault of them being stupid.

I've had healers too that have let me die, and were doing 0 dps. Quite literally afk, but "Oops I wasn't paying attention sorry".

[Rilifane]

I will say, a healer not remembering to heal you is not the fault of them dpsing, that's the fault of them being stupid.

I've had healers too that have let me die, and were doing 0 dps. Quite literally afk, but "Oops I wasn't paying attention sorry".

Pretty much this.
Bad healers are bad healers not because they dps too much but because they simply space out and forget to heal. Wether that's the half-asleep Glare bot or the pure healer type. It's not about not being able to multitask and rather a matter of not paying attention at all.