DPS who pull mobs

[ForteNightshade]

Im doing my job, the DPS decide they can't wait the extra second to let me get a hit on the enemy to I can gain aggro.
They decided on their own to run ahead and pull everything else. Thats not being bad at my role on purpose.

Your job is not limited to simply pulling mobs but establishing and maintaining aggro. Allowing the DPS to die out of some petty "revenge" because they ran ahead isn't doing your job. It's the equivalent of a healer refusing to heal because they got angry at someone.

Darn Straight 8)
If Im the Tank, let me tank. If you wanna tank, Ill let you tank.
I WILL be petty about it because why am I the Tank, if a DPS is gonna do it for me?

And in such a scenario, you're the one I'm initiating the Vote Kick on because you're causing an actual issue. Some rando DPS or healer pulling ahead didn't impact anything except to bruise your ego slightly. You electing to let said DPS die puts more work on me as the potential healer and/or simply wastes time since now we have a DPS with weakness. You're in the wrong no matter what justification you want to spin.

Genuine question because I'm confused on where the line in the sand is drawn:

Is pulling pack by pack griefing in any situation or do new tanks get a pass on that while they learn? How I view the convo so far is that it's basically a requirement to pull wall to wall and every tank should know that, which is fair for people who have MMO/previous tanking experience. But what about new people who are coming into FF as their first MMO? Should I, as a DPS, rush the dungeon and pull more even though they're obviously new and not sure of how to tank properly and call them out for griefing?

I'll break it down like this, based on level ranges.

15-50: Pull however much you feel comfortable. Not only do some jobs lack AoE abilities, these are novice level dungeons. It's expected for inexperienced to be more on the wary side.
50-60: You should be experimenting with larger pulls. Not necessarily the whole room but generally two packs. I'm still not going to fault overly cautious tank at this range though.
60-70: Now you need to be pulling room wide. Maybe not some of the super pulls but anything less than two packs tells me you don't have enough confidence to tank yet. So go back to lower dungeons until you do.
70-80: No excuses whatsoever. You're far from new by this point and should pull everything.

Put another way. If you're pulling one pack at the higher level ranges, you're little more than a gimped DPS. Three mobs simply don't deal enough damage that a DPS couldn't tank themselves with a few spot heals. In other words, you're effectively useless pulling one pack at 60+. Even at 50 that could be argued, but that's low enough most people won't say much.