How could you do this to AST?

[Sqwall]

I guess my point overall is, what exactly changes about your playstyle when in Nocturnal vs Diurnal? Did it change how you used your cards? Did it change how you contributed to DPS? Did it even change when you used certain healing actions, really? Maybe if Aspected Benefic was exclusively a barrier and didn't actually restore HP, then you could argue it forced you to heal preemptively. People say that about Aspected Benefic and Adloquium now, but the thing is that's not really efficient. If your party has max HP, then preemptively casting a barrier would also be overhealing, which is wasteful. Any time where your party is injured, then the barrier is virtually the same as the added healing you'd have received from a Benefic II.

What I'm getting at is, the barrier is more or less a consequence of using Aspected Benefic vs Benefic II, and in most examples, you'd probably be using it at the same places in Diurnal as well.

For me as a Dirunal user. Aspected benefic is just as powerful as Benefic 2 for the MP. With Aspected Helios and aspected benefic the set it and forget it is strong. Benefic II is mostly reserved to large pull heals, and tank is in trouble heals (insanely strong with lightspeed). Just better watch your lucid cooldowns when your in diurnal with a squishy tank. Noct is great for a squishy tank as you can literally spam aspected benefic until your out of MP.

I can heal either way as an AST, but I prefer diurnal for the heal over time cushion that it gives for card/seal building. Shields do the same, but don't last like a heal over time.

[IceBlueNinja]

For me as a Dirunal user. Aspected benefic is just as powerful as Benefic 2 for the MP. With Aspected Helios and aspected benefic the set it and forget it is strong. Benefic II is mostly reserved to large pull heals, and tank is in trouble heals (insanely strong with lightspeed). Just better watch your lucid cooldowns when your in diurnal with a squishy tank. Noct is great for a squishy tank as you can literally spam aspected benefic until your out of MP.

I can heal either way as an AST, but I prefer diurnal for the heal over time cushion that it gives for card/seal building. Shields do the same, but don't last like a heal over time.

I seem to heal tanks way better in noct than dirunal as dirunal to me do not tic fast enough even if i aspected helios/aspected bene and cu which is 3 regens it still dont seem enough specially on a tank with poor gear, I really kill my mp more in dirunal than noct lol regens are claim stronger but to me they last so short it seem am just better off spamming aspected benefic noct and benefic 1 which is way more effiecient at keeping tank heal up or maybe a couple bene 2 , back then when regens was 30 second dirunal was more respectable for me now this mere 15 second mess by time i apply aspected bene/helios then apply the other, the other one just seem to already be finished. with darkness night on drk and my aspected bene that crits tons loving that 4k crit of mine. I have time to throw gravities then while all those fat 0s are just poping.

[ZedxKayn]

I seem to heal tanks way better in noct than dirunal as dirunal to me do not tic fast enough even if i aspected helios/aspected bene and cu which is 3 regens it still dont seem enough specially on a tank with poor gear, I really kill my mp more in dirunal than noct lol regens are claim stronger but to me they last so short it seem am just better off spamming aspected benefic noct and benefic 1 which is way more effiecient at keeping tank heal up or maybe a couple bene 2 , back then when regens was 30 second dirunal was more respectable for me now this mere 15 second mess by time i apply aspected bene/helios then apply the other, the other one just seem to already be finished. with darkness night on drk and my aspected bene that crits tons loving that 4k crit of mine. I have time to throw gravities then while all those fat 0s are just poping.

Might not be using AST's kit properly then. In a single target situation, helios, aspected or not, is a waste of MP over bene 2, for starters

[IceBlueNinja]

Might not be using AST's kit properly then. In a single target situation, helios, aspected or not, is a waste of MP over bene 2, for starters

If I say am healing far easier in noct and using less mp than I do with dirunal in a single situation how is that not playing the kit properly its more of that maybe yes I cant play dirunal properly which ok I agree but I certainly can play the kit perfect in noct.

[ZedxKayn]

If I say am healing far easier in noct and using less mp than I do with dirunal in a single situation how is that not playing the kit properly its more of that maybe yes I cant play dirunal properly which ok I agree but I certainly can play the kit perfect in noct.

I'm just saying that cause you mentioned using Aspected Helios to heal a tank, which is not a good thing to do and will make you use more MP than necessary when you complain about MP issues...

[IceBlueNinja]

I'm just saying that cause you mentioned using Aspected Helios to heal a tank, which is not a good thing to do and will make you use more MP than necessary when you complain about MP issues...

Let me break it down for ya then the mp issue complaint is key word *dirunal * not noct. In dirunal aspected bene and helios are 2 regens which yes you can apply which that dont keep up to me with healing on big trash pulls and you still end up may having to sling a dignity or now have to be flinging none stop benefic 2s where as NOCT, I use aspected benefic with cu, earth star, opposition and celestial intersection. all of this I barely drain mp in NOCT stance and have NO MP issues in NOCT stance and dont have to be using a benefic 2 ,benefic 1 will top off damage for me and trash, still have my 2 dignities to boot which mobs are usually then dead if the dps is great. I do not have MP management issue in noct period than I do in dirunal ok? Now hopefully all the others who tend to read things not cleary and love to use their dry you do not know the kit right, yeah I can again say the same with yall and need game to auto heal for you with regens lmao.

[Liam_Harper]

Let me break it down for ya then the mp issue complaint is key word *dirunal * not noct. In dirunal aspected bene and helios are 2 regens which yes you can apply which that dont keep up to me with healing on big trash pulls and you still end up may having to sling a dignity or now have to be flinging none stop benefic 2s where as NOCT, I use aspected benefic with cu, earth star, opposition and celestial intersection.

That's a fair point. It's a shame Diurnal doesn't have CU, Star, CO or Celestial intersection.

Btw you should probably take Noct Celestial intersection off your bars. It has a filthy Regen tied to it and you might get contaminated.

[ForteNightshade]

If I say am healing far easier in noct and using less mp than I do with dirunal in a single situation how is that not playing the kit properly its more of that maybe yes I cant play dirunal properly which ok I agree but I certainly can play the kit perfect in noct.

Because if you were playing Diurnal, or even AST itself, properly, it wouldn't be? My friend mains AST and is pretty damn good at it. Wanna know what virtually 99% of her MP goes into? Malefic/Gravity. In dungeons, she barely even looks at my HP bar and in raids/trials, ED and Star do almost all the work with the occasional regen if needed. There is no denying Diurnal is simply better.

[Teraluna]

Because if you were playing Diurnal, or even AST itself, properly, it wouldn't be? My friend mains AST and is pretty damn good at it. Wanna know what virtually 99% of her MP goes into? Malefic/Gravity. In dungeons, she barely even looks at my HP bar and in raids/trials, ED and Star do almost all the work with the occasional regen if needed. There is no denying Diurnal is simply better.

We can carry on arguing this is better than that, oh not it's not, oh yes it is etc. Whatever your feelings about the current situation, we're faced with incoming changes. No idea of course about the details, which is where the devil resides so the wise saying goes.
Faced many class adjustments in different games over the years. It comes down to a couple of choices when these changes happen - stop playing the class/game or adapt to the changes.

That's not to say the forums should be quiet when these changes are introduced. Constructive feedback will help with anything new - with the emphasis on constructive. We will just have to wait and see.

[IceBlueNinja]

We can carry on arguing this is better than that, oh not it's not, oh yes it is etc. Whatever your feelings about the current situation, we're faced with incoming changes. No idea of course about the details, which is where the devil resides so the wise saying goes.
Faced many class adjustments in different games over the years. It comes down to a couple of choices when these changes happen - stop playing the class/game or adapt to the changes.

That's not to say the forums should be quiet when these changes are introduced. Constructive feedback will help with anything new - with the emphasis on constructive. We will just have to wait and see.

Meh these regens lover can run their mouth al they want, you know at the end of the days all these regen lovers need a game to do their job for them. regen = free auto heal and so these regen lovers are too lazy to do their own job thus why they hate us shield healers, we apparently are more experienced and give our self a challenge. Thanks though for your input rather than being more nice they wanna just be toxic fan boys and girls and think they winning money or something for a game that is years old.