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    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    Sure in the current system people are likely to repeat the mistakes of the past, because the reality is we do not allow them to really move past their mistakes. Personally I think it would be hard to move past something if you are always reminded of it. Having the capacity to do something does not mean they will do it, and I do not think we should base our stance around that assumption. Sure we have people that are serial offenders, but I do not think we should threat everyone as such.

    Sure if we go based off the current data where we have people that go to prison then are released to do the same action it does not look good. Though from my view I say we should look why did they repeat the action, I feel a lot of has to deal with the fact that the system often puts them back in the same desperate situation that caused them to lead to their first offense. The person may be willing to change, but simply unable to advance due to the nature of the fact they their desire of change does not reflect their options to change. Get out of prison work a dead end job since getting employment is rough, struggling to make ends meat because you are barely making a livable wage forced to work a second job which leads etc . . . all these stressors I feel cause a person to feel that same sense of hopelessness that may have lead to lapse in judgement in the first place. Do not get me wrong I do think some people in this world are just broken so to speak, but I do not think that is the case for everyone and I do feel people if given the proper chance can and will learn from their mistakes. It is just about giving the person the opportunity after they served their punishment.

    In end though when it comes to my own forgiveness if someone wants to take advantage of my kindness and view it is weakness cool. That is on them, though please do not mistake my view as I will let someone walk all over me repeatedly. I just feel the current system does not do much to allow the person the the proper means to learn from their own actions thus they are easily repeatable. Just like I do not agree with warnings since people view them as a one time pass. I think we should not have warnings at all even in our legal system.

    In end I think it is unfair, unreasonable, and navie to expect a different outcome if you literary put the person in the same exact situation they were in prior to the offense

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    You are taking the prison system metaphor and hypothetical too far. This is a game. Nobody knows your past infractions in game. This is technically a "perfect" system in which nobody but the judges know your history and it only comes into question when you relapse. Your re-integration into the system has no lingering or visible marks that others you interact with in anything relevant to the game can see or access.

    It would only be a worry for those who have "heavy" strikes on their record, as it should be. Do not recommit. Do not lapse. REMEMBER that this is your last chance.


    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    Apologies, I must have missed it. Then yes, I agree.

    If I find I don't like somebody and call them a "w******r" out of frustration is a lot more forgivable than say, stalking and harassing them to make them feel uncomfortable or causing them distress. The latter of which I have seen somebody do...and they should be treated much more seriously than the person who called them a bad name. Sure, both are in the wrong to do it, one is a lot worse than the other. Sure the stalkery person may learn their lesson, but I expect they will want to keep that strike if they slip back into similar sort of behaviour and act on it. They can't even be sure you've stopped this behaviour because it might have just gone unreported.
    Thank you for going back. I know there's a lot to sift through as I can be verbose. As you say.. exactly as I feel, infractions should have weight and that weight should determine both punishment and permanence.
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    Last edited by Krotoan; 02-25-2021 at 11:09 PM.
    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?