Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Vahlnir]

Indeed, it's not the PS4 holding it back, rather it's the gruntwork they'd have to undertake to create the high res assets.

Eh, the regular PS4 might be a bit of a hindrance since it is 7 or 8 years old and its hardware isn't that great, but the PS4 Pro version of this game plays almost as well as the PS5, aside from some load times...but that's because they both host the same version currently. The gap may widen a bit once the actual PS5 version releases into beta in a couple months.

[wereotter]

Eh, the regular PS4 might be a bit of a hindrance since it is 7 or 8 years old and its hardware isn't that great, but the PS4 Pro version of this game plays almost as well as the PS5, aside from some load times...but that's because they both host the same version currently. The gap may widen a bit once the actual PS5 version releases into beta in a couple months.

They have stated point blank that there are no playstation restrictions to development at this point. They want to keep the game accessible to the largest number of players, and so are keeping them game as it is in order not to lose a segment of PC players using older hardware.

[VirusOnline]

An echo chamber is not inherently a bad thing. Just stating what the thread is why so many are getting defensive about it? In end doesn't the prove the point that others are getting defensive or calling others in disagreement are simply here to ruin the mood spoil people's fun. Sounds like an echo chamber to me which is cool, just calling a spade a spade.

Most people from what I can tell in the thread who are in disagreement seem to be rather polite, and accepting of different view points or ideas. The ones who are dismissive of other view points or ideas are those in favor of male bun bun. Any idea or suggestion that goes against the overall acceptably norm of a good looking character gets down fairly quickly.

In the end yeah an echo chamber is not inherently wrong or good. Though when others try to establish an echo chamber on a public forum that is when things get a tad murky for me personally. If this was a private group cool, but it is a public forum everyone has a right to post in agreement or not, People are free to talk about it, and by no means was my comment meant to dismissive of those who have strong feelings towards male viera, though let us be fair in the same vain as those in favor are free to talk about it, those who are against it or have a different preferred look for male viera should be free to do so without being considered as a troll or someone simply out to ruin the fun of others.

We can agree on the inherentness here. But defensiveness and disagreement are just the norms of conversation. Extremes and mass reporting for simple defense and disagreement is when we can go ahead and call this xiv's echo chamber of the 2 years to be continued. I think at this thread length, it's hard to truly see who is being polite and whatnot. I have the feeling that you and I have a bias and and on that basis are already subject to confirmation bias in regards to the attitudes here. I believe the only objections I've seen, major ones, is in relation to those who wanted smol/child-like/lala ? I honestly wouldn't know, I read a few pages here and there but I'm no avid follower of this thread. But at the end of it all, I think we can both say though that it's not that spicy hot ramen mess that it was before.

You're right on that last note. But, considering that this is a public forum and text-based one at that . . . I think the defensiveness comes from having to interpret things without other senses to rely on. Sigh, what can one do.

[Awha]

We can agree on the inherentness here. But defensiveness and disagreement are just the norms of conversation. Extremes and mass reporting for simple defense and disagreement is when we can go ahead and call this xiv's echo chamber of the 2 years to be continued. I think at this thread length, it's hard to truly see who is being polite and whatnot. I have the feeling that you and I have a bias and and on that basis are already subject to confirmation bias in regards to the attitudes here. I believe the only objections I've seen, major ones, is in relation to those who wanted smol/child-like/lala ? I honestly wouldn't know, I read a few pages here and there but I'm no avid follower of this thread. But at the end of it all, I think we can both say though that it's not that spicy hot ramen mess that it was before.

You're right on that last note. But, considering that this is a public forum and text-based one at that . . . I think the defensiveness comes from having to interpret things without other senses to rely on. Sigh, what can one do.

Might just be me but I do think a clear divide between defensiveness and disagreement are perfectly possible and are not the norm of conversation or social interaction in my opinion. Though this is also rooted around my own personal bias. The part that gets me is nothing wrong with a thread being largely an echo chamber, just means that a collective with similar ideals and or standards have gathered together. For the most part I have followed the thread since it started and largely most people that do not fit within the generally acceptable view of what male viera should look like tend to get viewed as a troll, and those who are just not in favor for whatever reason are viewed as a kill joy.

In the end I agree sure it is not a dumpster fire that it once was, and people tend to let their own personal emotions get the better of their judgment when it comes to text based communication. Though that is largely a personal issue and people should not let their own feelings cloud, misrepresent, and or interject their own spin on a text to suit their own personal narrative.

[juicybug]

Why do you want male Viera so that they can be neglected with updates too? It goes against the lore, as it would be silly to see a bunch of male Viera dressed in modern clothes, unable to wear hats afk in Limsa Lominsa standing near each other, when they're supposed to be territorial.

How about we get more support for the current Viera, and Hrothgar for more customization and able to wear hats or at least a wider selection of faces and hairstyles.

[Lauront]

So, some positive news at least, albeit over the longer term:

Famitsu: Will there be any graphic improvements for the expansion this time? If so, will there be any demand on higher PC spec requirements?

Yoshi: No, not at all.

We’re improving the rendering on the Playstation 5 and allow players to play with slightly better graphics. The rest will remain basically the same. However, we do think of reworking the graphics engine in the future.

All the assets we’ve created for the past 10 years ended up in enormous amounts here and on top of that, the data folder structure will have to be restructured in order to make this work. In addition to that, there’s also a demand for 4K texture support.

To begin with, I think we will have to change the way we work on creating the graphics in order to do this.

For example, to make the mantle flutter even more, we will have to change the concept called “bones” that are located on the rig, install a physics engine on it, and it is necessary to perform physical adjustments on each character in order to make this work. Doing so will end up overperforming here, so in order to deal with this, we will have to ensure that it will be possible to turn off the character physics calculations of other players. But if we do so, the mantle visual seen on other players will end up cracking because of this.

All of these elements will have to be included and fixed from the ground up, and considering we want to deliver the best game experience due to the importance of the end of Hydaelyn-Zodiark arc as well, the progress is currently put on hold for now.

However, we are indeed laying preliminary arrangements, and we are conducting research here. This applies to the Data Center Travel that was announced earlier but we are moving our projects forward on a multiyear basis here. so in a way, players are able to go on exciting adventures with the current spec required and this will be unchanged for now, and I want players to be able to do so without worrying too much.

However, you can interpret this whole answer as “Yoshida did mention that he wants to do this”, and I don’t mind if you tell readers that.

Adding to that, it would be great if you could also let them know that it will be a tremendous amount of work involved here. (laughs)

[Alien_Gamer]

So, some positive news at least, albeit over the longer term:

I'm not surprised at the content of the answer but I'm surprised he actually answered that with something more than "We'll look into it". That project is massive, it will take years to finish and there's no clue how long they have or haven't been working on it. My guess is we might start hearing more info on it leading up to 8.0; 7.0 seems too early for that.

[Alleo]

An echo chamber is not inherently a bad thing. Just stating what the thread is why so many are getting defensive about it? In end doesn't the prove the point that others are getting defensive or calling others in disagreement are simply here to ruin the mood spoil people's fun. Sounds like an echo chamber to me which is cool, just calling a spade a spade.

Not a bad thing? When you yourself used it as an argument against it being one of the biggest thread and thus something to be proud of? How was that positive? Honestly most definitions that I found were not putting it in a positive way and I have never seen it been used that way either, especially on forums. You yourself stated in the post I quoted that an echo chamber on a public forum is murky.

Also people are allowed to disagree. Just like we disagree a lot on how Viera should look.

You discuss stuff in a thread. Just because someone does not agree with your idea (you, I think, wanted them to be fat, either seriously or as a joke) does not mean that they are dismissve, just that they are posting their view on why they would not like it, while you or others post their view on how they like it. Also nice that you put anyone that wants male vieras into the category of being dismissive of other view points...especially since it makes no sense because those that are seemingly being put down because their view does not fit the majority are also in favor of male vieras.

And as you said yourself, everyone is free to talk about it on this thread. You are free to say that you dont want them, you are also free to want fat vieras. Just as others are free to say no to that opinion. That it what makes a discussion. And if more people like it a certain way that does not suddenly mean the whole thread is an echo chamber. No it just means that maybe a certain look might just be something that is accepted by more people.

We can agree on the inherentness here. But defensiveness and disagreement are just the norms of conversation. Extremes and mass reporting for simple defense and disagreement is when we can go ahead and call this xiv's echo chamber of the 2 years to be continued. I think at this thread length, it's hard to truly see who is being polite and whatnot. I have the feeling that you and I have a bias and and on that basis are already subject to confirmation bias in regards to the attitudes here. I believe the only objections I've seen, major ones, is in relation to those who wanted smol/child-like/lala ? I honestly wouldn't know, I read a few pages here and there but I'm no avid follower of this thread. But at the end of it all, I think we can both say though that it's not that spicy hot ramen mess that it was before.

You're right on that last note. But, considering that this is a public forum and text-based one at that . . . I think the defensiveness comes from having to interpret things without other senses to rely on. Sigh, what can one do.

+1 for this. Of course you will find more people for male Vieras in this thread because its after all named a support thread. Yet still a huge amount of pages in this very thread comes from people disagreeing with it. How can it be that way if this is all an echo chamber? And we even have lots of disagreements between supporters.

And as you said the major objections happened to those that wanted child like, small vieras and of course those that want them to be way of standards like being fat. Its not that those arent allowed to post but its pretty clear that these wishes are quite unrealistic and honestly for me I have a hard time seeing if the people posting them even mean them seriously. Otherwise we had a lot of even discussion about the height range and the amount of muscle mass.

And the defensiveness at least for me comes from this sentence:

You mean the largest FFXIV echo chamber in the entire history of FFXIV? :P That aside, this is a glorified chat thread with like minded people, that is littered with the same arguments, senseless bumping, and loads of fanart. Not sure what was accomplished, but if you want to be proud of that cool.

A whole sentence just to put down the notion that having such a huge thread with nearly 2k likes is nothing. Just because we do have a lot of the same arguments or post fanarts. Completely ignoring the amount of likes, and the big amount of different people posting in it over the long span of time. Of course there are certain people myself included, that will post here much more often but I get the feeling that some like to ignore that they too come back even though they dont even support it and that a lot of the pages even come from these very same people coming back again and again to put the support down. Like the very idea that this thread harmlessly continues to exist on this forum is bad. I just dont understand it but I also dont understand all the people still posting in threads of a certain troll. If I dont find something interesting I will stop posting in it.

[zeylos]

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Even if this is an echo chamber, something must be really loud for it to create an echo as big as this one, so it only makes sense to assume the demand is incredibly high. Considering this is the biggest ffxiv thread in history, there is literally 0 doubts that from what we can gather, male viera and female hrotgar respectively are the two most requested features for the game ever, and if we compare the negative posts, that are usually done by the same 6 or so people and get a max of 17 likes at the higest to the first post in the thread which isnt far from 2k likes, it leaves 0 room for doubt that it is indeed a minority who dosent want male viera, while most players remain either supportive or silent. Its up to the devs to see what they do with this information, but it is simply not realistic to say that it isnt in incredibly high demand, regardless of wether it will be released and catered to or not

[Alleo]

Even if they are in the minority they are allowed to post their view here but since its a support thread its not suprising that maybe their view might not be the majority. Its like going into a thread thats "why do you dislike x" and someone posts why they like x. Are threads like that already echo chambers from the start for some, because the topic itself goes more into a certain direction? Completely ignoring that even in itself it can go a different way?

But its as you said. Its up to SE and we still posting here be it for or against it are not hurting anyone by doing it. Everyone can ignore this whole thread. And anyone that is still interested in discussion it can do that. And if that in turn maybe helps to show that we still want it then that is great.

Why do you want male Viera so that they can be neglected with updates too? It goes against the lore, as it would be silly to see a bunch of male Viera dressed in modern clothes, unable to wear hats afk in Limsa Lominsa standing near each other, when they're supposed to be territorial.

How about we get more support for the current Viera, and Hrothgar for more customization and able to wear hats or at least a wider selection of faces and hairstyles.

Honestly I want them because I dont like gender restrictions. I support them fully even though I will never play them myself. With the amount of money SE makes from this game (and the cash shop) it should be possible to not only include the missing genders but also to take away the restrictions.

Right now there is no hint that they are working on the missing genders, yet Vieras and Hrothgar are still waiting on their unique hair that they should get since they are not able to wear so much of our stuff. So not getting them does not suddenly give the existing races more stuff to do.

If you want more support for the current Viera and Hrothgar just open up a thread for that. Just like a lot of other threads in the past I would surely leave at least a like, if not post my own opinion on it.