Please equalize rewards between Castrum and Prae

[HyperiusUltima]

You know what, just rework the entirety of CM and Prae. People who've seen the same movie 100s of times get bored of it and just go do something else while Nero has a TED Talk for about 5 minutes. If anything, the current iteration was for it to be a climax for ARR 2.0; which was acceptable at the time with how the player base was with raids, EXs and the like. If you think about it, solo instances give people more impact than say, an 8-man dungeon. It also increases immersion in this sense considering you're literally walking through CM destroying things to rid the barrier around Prae, and then waltz into Prae to fight Gaius.

I know someone already said it, but I wanted to reiterate it here because whenever I hear 'Main Scenario Roulette' I think it's basically going to take REQUIRED Dungeons that you needed to do to advance the story. If anything, they can rebalance Main Scenario to take out the overbloating of 50/60/70 Roulette considering there's just about every post-game dungeon in the game in there(and that's A LOT if you include ARR and everything else compared to the Leveling Dungeons they give you at intervals throughout the story). It'd also add some more mix to the Roulette, considering there's literally only TWO dungeons(CM and Prae) in that roulette. Sure, we have our 2 Experts, but those are mostly for the patch so that you can get your bonus tomes while still doing a current end-game dungeon.

[Jojoya]

When I posted this we ended up doing 50% of the raid with NO tank. It took 5 min to reform the group when 3/4 of the raid ended up quiting the moment they saw Castrum. I ended up tanking with heal aggro on my white mage alt until a tank finally decided to stay.

So something that SHOULD be shorter then Prae was far far longer and this is not the first time.

Just turn Castrum into a solo instance and then have Prae as the only option. This current system has been and continues to be frustrating when there is an obvious solution.

It stops being a roulette when there's only one instance to do.

I've gone through Castrum with only 5 in party. I've healed DPS who've had to tank because both tanks dropped while we waited for another tank to appear. It has not been a big deal when the party simply agrees to do it instead of moaning about people who drop. It has still taken less time than running Prae would because some of those massive chain pulls people love don't actually speed the run up.

SE had mentioned they've looked at both dungeons and decided that trying to adjust the dungeons would take just as much time as remaking them altogether so they've discussed doing that, with Ultima Weapon/Lahabrea getting moved to a trial just as end of 3.0/4.0/5.0 have a dungeon/trial combination. They did not say if they're actually going to do it, though.

But yeah, I'd generally agree SE should get rid of MSQ roulette altogether when the community wants to act this immature about which dungeon they get in a random roulette instead of doing the dungeon then spending the remaining 20 minutes doing some more content that's going to give them enough XP to make up most of the difference. Hopefully they are revamping those for 6.0 so we'll be rid of this unnecessary drama and the community can find some new drama to generate.

[Krojack]

Not if you factor in the 30 minute penalty. OTOH it might foster certain behaviors to fish for a kick. But that'll only work if you're kicked within the first 15-20 minutes and get an instapop on requeue.

They don't care about the 10min ban now, why would that change? There are other things you can do while it's ticking down. People would still leave because they don't want the longer cutscene times.

[ItMe]

You know what, just rework the entirety of CM and Prae.

I misread this as "rework the entirety of CM into Prae" and about had a heart attack : D

[Raltar]

If they buff Castrum or nerf Praetorium rewards, we would just have the opposite of what we have now: people ditching Praetorium to fish for Castrum. There really is no winning without either splitting Praetorium into two different dungeons or making both of them solo and removing the roulette all together. I personally would prefer them to do the latter...but I don't have any characters left to level at the moment.

[EtherRose]

It should be kept as it is. No need to delete the MSQ roulette either because the point of doing it is mainly to help new players on top of leveling alts. I think the 30 minute penalty should be removed entirely and they should make it to where instead it completely locks out your MSQ roulette for the day. It is annoying when people constantly leave because they didn't get Prae. Just do w/e you get.

[Goji1639]

It should be kept as it is. No need to delete the MSQ roulette either because the point of doing it is mainly to help new players on top of leveling alts. I think the 30 minute penalty should be removed entirely and they should make it to where instead it completely locks out your MSQ roulette for the day. It is annoying when people constantly leave because they didn't get Prae. Just do w/e you get.

A while ago I suggested them implementing something where you're stuck with whatever MSQ instance you get for that day. Meaning if you roll Castrum but leave early for any reason you'll only be able to get Castrum until the roulette resets the next day.

That would remove the incentive to bail and might even remove any need for an abandon penalty altogether.

[Awha]

Wouldn't that just shift which one people fish for? What they really need to do is remove MSQ and make them a soli dungeon.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I don't think there's a turning back for SE at this point.
I just wish they include any other MSQ related dungeons into the so-called "MSQ Roulette".

[Gemina]

I don't think there's a turning back for SE at this point.
I just wish they include any other MSQ related dungeons into the so-called "MSQ Roulette".

Like which ones? No other dungeon in the game behaves the way Castrum and Prae do, and that is why they have their own roulette. And since the devs vowed to never design content in that fashion for FFXIV ever again, these are the only two that are, and will ever be applicable for that roulette. We can explore the semantics behind the word "roulette", but it won't move the concrete.

Fact remains that this roulette is totally optional. The exp, tomes, and gil are all obtainable through other means; some of which are more efficient choices for the player, so there is totally no obligation to do this roulette at all. That being said, it is quite easy for someone like myself to surmise that players are deliberately queuing into this roulette to find something to complain about, or they actually enjoy the brainless content for the amount of time they are in there so they can kick their feet up while getting some crazy easy EXP or tomes.