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  1. #31
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    Mahoukenshi's Avatar
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    Altina Schwarzer
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    Twintania
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Missbone View Post
    Never saw this happen on my server, even if 1 or 2 ppl leave the refill pretty fast and you dont need all 8 members anyway. Also Castrum only takes half of the time, so its only reasonable that the rewards are lower. If you don't like it, don't do it.
    But THIS much lower? As it is, Castrum doesn't even grant 50% of the total xp and isn't that much better than lvling roulette, which can theoretically be completed even faster. Praetorium gives 75, 80% of total xp? Dunno, but buffing CMs XP gain to at least 50% or 60% wouldn't make Praetorium instantly less attractive.
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    Just a proud bad-skilked player

  2. #32
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mahoukenshi View Post
    But THIS much lower? As it is, Castrum doesn't even grant 50% of the total xp and isn't that much better than lvling roulette, which can theoretically be completed even faster. Praetorium gives 75, 80% of total xp? Dunno, but buffing CMs XP gain to at least 50% or 60% wouldn't make Praetorium instantly less attractive.
    I agree.
    The rewards being uneven is fine, but they should really be higher. Maybe then I'd be tempted to do them. Maybe then it'd feel less like I'm wasting an hour.
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  3. #33
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    Avellin Adorel
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Puremallace View Post
    Simple request. Getting tired of 3/4 of the raid quitting when they see Castrum. Either fix it or get rid of Castrum. Another way to fix it all is to let us skip cutscenes.
    Then everyone will leave The Praetorium because they want Castrum Meridianum due to it being shorter.
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  4. #34
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    Feronar's Avatar
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    Feronar Bloodfang
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    Gilgamesh
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    Viper Lv 100
    In my opinion, the best thing to do would be to convert them to either solo duties or trust dungeons, then remove the Main Story roulette from the game. Perhaps take out the final 2 battles in Praetorium and convert them to a Trial encounter.
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  5. #35
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    Lineage Razor
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    I had hoped that with the advent of Trust NPCs, that CM and Prae would be high on the list for getting a solo adaptation. With seven NPCs at your back, newbies would be free to watch cutscenes at their leisure. They could then remove the cutscene lock on the multiplayer version - or simply remove the Roulette entirely.

    I feel like that would satisfy both camps. Mostly. You'd probably still have a few newbies who want to do the eight-player dungeon with other humans, but ALSO want those other humans to cater to their pace (including cutscene watching), but you can't please everyone.

    Sadly, Trusts have so far only been for new content. I do hope they adapt it for the older stuff, eventually, however.
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  6. #36
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    Van Arn
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    Goblin
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mahoukenshi View Post
    But THIS much lower? As it is, Castrum doesn't even grant 50% of the total xp and isn't that much better than lvling roulette, which can theoretically be completed even faster. Praetorium gives 75, 80% of total xp? Dunno, but buffing CMs XP gain to at least 50% or 60% wouldn't make Praetorium instantly less attractive.
    The rewards are already too high for the content in question.
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  7. #37
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    Thepale Rider
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    Jenova
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    This only really holds true if people sat around doing nothing during the 30 minute penalty, which I'm guessing no one does.

    During the 30 minute penalty you can get something else done, in game or outside of the game; so the penalty is null. You're not actually losing time you're just reorganizing it. If you stick with Prae, however, you're physically stuck in MSQ for an extra 30 minutes for the exact same reward as Castrum; so you lose that 30 minutes.
    Time To clear is longer for Prae but you actually get way more 'free time' during Prae than Castrum.
    I know many people who prefer Prae even for tome farming due to being able to work from home, study, play another game ect.

    Ultiimately time to clear matters so I feel Prae should award a superior bonus to Castrum, but the gap is simply too large for exp at the moment.
    Even if Castrum's bonus exp was increased somwhat I guarantee you wouldn't see an influx of people fishing for Castrum.
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  8. #38
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    GeminiReed's Avatar
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    Alys Isshu
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    Malboro
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    Summoner Lv 61
    Quote Originally Posted by Krojack View Post
    Then everyone will leave The Praetorium because they want Castrum Meridianum due to it being shorter.
    Not if you factor in the 30 minute penalty. OTOH it might foster certain behaviors to fish for a kick. But that'll only work if you're kicked within the first 15-20 minutes and get an instapop on requeue.
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  9. #39
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    Ayame Mizuki
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    Mateus
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    I agree with the others who said to turn it into a trust dungeon or solo instance and delete the roulette. The mobs are soloable and the bosses aren't even that difficult. It takes you what two minutes to beat the first version of ultima because you have to wait for the Hydaelyn buff, a minute to beat the second version of ultima, and thirty seconds to deal with lahabread with another thiry seconds while he goes through all his dumb dialogue before you leave. Not very amazing for the new players and pretty much a waste of time for the people queing for those sweet sweet tomes and exp.
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  10. #40
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    Pure Mallace
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    Siren
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    Equalize the rewards and everyone will just bail and be pissed off when they get the one that takes longer. The way they're doing it now is probably the most fair way they could handle it.
    When I posted this we ended up doing 50% of the raid with NO tank. It took 5 min to reform the group when 3/4 of the raid ended up quiting the moment they saw Castrum. I ended up tanking with heal aggro on my white mage alt until a tank finally decided to stay.

    So something that SHOULD be shorter then Prae was far far longer and this is not the first time.

    Just turn Castrum into a solo instance and then have Prae as the only option. This current system has been and continues to be frustrating when there is an obvious solution.
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