Please equalize rewards between Castrum and Prae

[Erik501]

That's stupid because it doesn't really change anything or resolve the core underlying issue.

Most people don't fish more than once either. If I get Castrum x2 in a row, I'm not bothering with MSQ anymore for the day anyways since I've already wasted an hour. So, your idea doesn't work here either except for the most extreme cases of people fishing 3+ queues.

First of all: how do you know how many times they "fish"? Did you run a poll of some sort or something? Did you not? Then you don't know.

Second, currently you don't mind screwing 14 other people if you get Castrum twice in a row, right? Shame on you. If you know you will not do Castrum if it rolls then don't queue for MSQ roulette and spare everybody else the annoyance that comes with people leaving the duty straight away.

Third: a system that would stop you and the lot like you after you have already screwed 7 people is not stupid, it is well deserved at the very least. It would only affect the people who are using the roulette to "fish" instead of using it as it was intended, i.e. you and the lot like you.

[Puremallace]

Equalize the rewards and everyone will just bail and be pissed off when they get the one that takes longer. The way they're doing it now is probably the most fair way they could handle it.

When I posted this we ended up doing 50% of the raid with NO tank. It took 5 min to reform the group when 3/4 of the raid ended up quiting the moment they saw Castrum. I ended up tanking with heal aggro on my white mage alt until a tank finally decided to stay.

So something that SHOULD be shorter then Prae was far far longer and this is not the first time.

Just turn Castrum into a solo instance and then have Prae as the only option. This current system has been and continues to be frustrating when there is an obvious solution.

[Jojoya]

When I posted this we ended up doing 50% of the raid with NO tank. It took 5 min to reform the group when 3/4 of the raid ended up quiting the moment they saw Castrum. I ended up tanking with heal aggro on my white mage alt until a tank finally decided to stay.

So something that SHOULD be shorter then Prae was far far longer and this is not the first time.

Just turn Castrum into a solo instance and then have Prae as the only option. This current system has been and continues to be frustrating when there is an obvious solution.

It stops being a roulette when there's only one instance to do.

I've gone through Castrum with only 5 in party. I've healed DPS who've had to tank because both tanks dropped while we waited for another tank to appear. It has not been a big deal when the party simply agrees to do it instead of moaning about people who drop. It has still taken less time than running Prae would because some of those massive chain pulls people love don't actually speed the run up.

SE had mentioned they've looked at both dungeons and decided that trying to adjust the dungeons would take just as much time as remaking them altogether so they've discussed doing that, with Ultima Weapon/Lahabrea getting moved to a trial just as end of 3.0/4.0/5.0 have a dungeon/trial combination. They did not say if they're actually going to do it, though.

But yeah, I'd generally agree SE should get rid of MSQ roulette altogether when the community wants to act this immature about which dungeon they get in a random roulette instead of doing the dungeon then spending the remaining 20 minutes doing some more content that's going to give them enough XP to make up most of the difference. Hopefully they are revamping those for 6.0 so we'll be rid of this unnecessary drama and the community can find some new drama to generate.

[Baxcel]

Equalize the rewards and everyone will just bail and be pissed off when they get the one that takes longer. The way they're doing it now is probably the most fair way they could handle it.

Yep, solution is that they should forfit their rewards for the daily bonus if they leave the instance. Anyone leaving before duty complete not just the first person, it would keep people from dipping out on new players and people can always vote kick the AFKers

[QTEila]

Guess leaving sprouts to die in castrum is the thing now huh? Quite the selfish ones here.

[Stepjam]

Unfortunately you'd get the opposite issue where people would hate running Prae over Castrum if they gave equal EXp since Prae is longer. Not saying that they perhaps couldn't be tightened up in terms of balance with exp to time spent, but they won't ever be the same amount of exp.

Also I dunno why people are actively calling for it to be turned into a solo instance. That might be the best thing for new players, but as far as veterans go you could simply not run it if you don't wanna spend the time. Dunno why you'd call for a source of exp to be removed.

[Vahlnir]

Unfortunately you'd get the opposite issue where people would hate running Prae over Castrum if they gave equal EXp since Prae is longer. Not saying that they perhaps couldn't be tightened up in terms of balance with exp to time spent, but they won't ever be the same amount of exp.

Right, but people are fishing for one instance anyway at the moment, so.....

If anything I'd still like Prae more since it gives me more time to watch one of my shows or play something on my Switch. lol

[van_arn]

They’ve already deleted both dungeons via balance changes and absurd ilvl in the roulette. They’re cutscene galleries.

If they want to award players xp merely for watching cutscenes while Netflix has their attention, then add an xp bonus in the daily challenge log for watching something in the neverending journey.

There’s no need to wait for 7 other people at all to watch a cutscene.

[Gemina]

Sir, a few things...

Equalizing rewards just swaps north and south poles mate.

Maxed players queue for that roulette despite having faster means to the same amount of tomes. Their reasons for doing so are their own, but those players will still prefer Castrum instead of Prae. Those players bailing for not getting Castrum is equally as frustrating, and the ones that remain are basically there for very little reward.

In addition, players who choke down Prae despite wanting Castrum for the tomes are in for it much longer than the reverse scenario. Might want to take that into consideration next time you get Castrum instead of Prae.

Some players need Castrum for progression. Forget about the devs making it a solo instance, or deleting the roulette.

It's a total coinflip. I believe only players directly queuing for the instance are given priority.

IOW. Working as intended.

[van_arn]

Sir, a few things...

Equalizing rewards just swaps north and south poles mate.

Maxed players queue for that roulette despite having faster means to the same amount of tomes. Their reasons for doing so are their own, but those players will still prefer Castrum instead of Prae. Those players bailing for not getting Castrum is equally as frustrating, and the ones that remain are basically there for very little reward.

In addition, players who choke down Prae despite wanting Castrum for the tomes are in for it much longer than the reverse scenario. Might want to take that into consideration next time you get Castrum instead of Prae.

Some players need Castrum for progression. Forget about the devs making it a solo instance, or deleting the roulette.

It's a total coinflip. I believe only players directly queuing for the instance are given priority.

IOW. Working as intended.

Keep in mind there are other players (such as myself) that will queue boost an fc mate into the roulette as a tank or healer and ditch at the door.

Instapop for the fc mate, I dodge the penalty for staying there (30 minute timeout from df is nothing in comparison), and I can run off and do my beastmen dailies, gold saucer stuff, hunts, or blue carnival while they suffer through unskippable cutscenes.

Even if the party collapses, my fc mate still gets fill priority in the (now open) instance, and due to the pathetic balance of said instance they can clear without waiting for the party to fill to capacity.