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  1. #21
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Take out Ultima Weapon as a standalone trial, then Prae and Castrum should be a similar length.
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    They’ve already deleted both dungeons via balance changes and absurd ilvl in the roulette. They’re cutscene galleries.

    If they want to award players xp merely for watching cutscenes while Netflix has their attention, then add an xp bonus in the daily challenge log for watching something in the neverending journey.

    There’s no need to wait for 7 other people at all to watch a cutscene.
    It doesn't exist to award exp for watching cutscenes.
    It exists to fill queues so that newbies aren't waiting 3 days for the queue to fill.
    The exp is the incentive.
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  3. #23
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    van_arn's Avatar
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    Van Arn
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    Goblin
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    It doesn't exist to award exp for watching cutscenes.
    It exists to fill queues so that newbies aren't waiting 3 days for the queue to fill.
    The exp is the incentive.
    naturally, deleting msq roulette means they need to correct their mistakes with these instances. They’ve already removed the fights, so let the cutscenes play back to back in a trust dungeon for new players.
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    Vickii's Avatar
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    Elise Marie
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    I mean, you don't HAVE to do it....


    I'm all for advocating for change to make the final dungeons solo instances (they probably work better for new people that way), but acting like they are something you are forced to do and wanting them removed for that reason is just silly.
    This. I stopped doing it and I feel great about it.

    I didn’t ever ‘hate’ doing it but after seeing them both hundreds of times and knowing the lines off the top of my head I just decided to take a break from it and never went back.

    It might be good, or in the case of Prae great XP, but there’s other ways to level and to get tomestones. Now I play to have fun.
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  5. #25
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    Sigrun Helasdottir
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 80
    You're never going to get them to let you skip cutscenes again.
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    "Sometimes I wonder I heal for fun. or if I heal because I'm a glutton for punishment."

  6. #26
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    Halivel's Avatar
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    Elja Djt-dvre
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    Sagittarius
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puremallace View Post
    Simple request. Getting tired of 3/4 of the raid quitting when they see Castrum. Either fix it or get rid of Castrum.
    It's done the way it is because of the time consumed to finish both of them. Praetorium is longer so it gives more exp, Castrum takes less so it gives less. I won't be against the rewards being even, but there's technically nothing to "fix" so I'm not sure they will do it. Shouldn't hurt if it happens, though, and also shouldn't be hard to do either , so at this point it's just the matter of the demand.

    Another way to fix it all is to let us skip cutscenes.
    Looking as you joined forum in 2019 I'm assuming you started playing not much earlier (can be wrong as somebody who joined forum more than a year after starting playing). Cutscenes were skippable in the past. This game's playerbase's toxic attitude towards new players became exactly the reason why it was changed and now they are unskippable. Thank the gang that was kicking players from dungeon if they wanted to watch cutscenes and kept saying "watch it in the inn" even though new players deserved to watch it right in the dungeon just as we did when the game came out.

    The only thing that can change it is DevTeam expanding the Trust system to old expansions so new players could run said dungeons in Story Mode with NPCs at the pace they want. It can happen as, if I recall it correct, Yoshida did say they want to include old dungeons in Trust system as well, but I won't hold my hopes high on that happening in any foreseeable future.


    Also, to clarify, the MSQ Roulette exists solely for seasoned players to help new players clear these instances so they could proceed with the story, because without it it took too much time for newbies to wait their queue. The reward for it (which was seriously upgraded with cutscenes becoming unskippable) is a compensation for the time you spend there. Same goes for Leveling and Allaince roulette as well, for example (sweet 5 hours queues to the Labyrinth on Tank flashbacks mmmm), and, to an extend, for all the other Roulettes. It's there to keep old content alive. You aren't forced to do them if you don't want to. If you need to farm your weekly tokens, running last patch dungeon two-three times will be faster.
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    Last edited by Halivel; 01-25-2021 at 06:31 PM.

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    Hyperion
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    They shouldn't equalize or delete them. They just need to buff the exp rewards from castrum to not feel like eating the 40min video experience is just objectively better.

    If you don't need to level alts or alt jobs, then it doesn't matter for you anyway. The tome argument is kind of silly when you're capped by thursday.
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    Fiona Silverstorm
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    Ragnarok
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Never saw this happen on my server, even if 1 or 2 ppl leave the refill pretty fast and you dont need all 8 members anyway. Also Castrum only takes half of the time, so its only reasonable that the rewards are lower. If you don't like it, don't do it.
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  9. #29
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    Alys Isshu
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    Malboro
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    Summoner Lv 61
    Quote Originally Posted by Missbone View Post
    Never saw this happen on my server, even if 1 or 2 ppl leave the refill pretty fast and you dont need all 8 members anyway. Also Castrum only takes half of the time, so its only reasonable that the rewards are lower. If you don't like it, don't do it.
    I really wish this was the case. We had one of the worst cases of this yesterday. One of the tanks insta-dipped, then the 2nd bailed and we spend the next 10 minutes gaining and losing tanks and dps until one of the original dps requeued as a tank. All told we lost 6-8 players because CM's payoff is that bad.

    I should start reporting people that insta-bail on CM.

    There needs to be a better source of XP for levelling alt-jobs that isn't grinding PotD/HoH/Bozja or the one or two dungeons worth running at your level.
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    Last edited by GeminiReed; 01-26-2021 at 12:50 AM.

  10. #30
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Jenova
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by GeminiReed View Post
    I really wish this was the case. We had one of the worst cases of this yesterday. One of the tanks insta-dipped, then the 2nd bailed and we spend the next 10 minutes gaining and losing tanks and dps until one of the original dps requeued as a tank. All told we lost 6-8 players because CM's payoff is that bad.

    I should start reporting people that insta-bail on CM.

    There needs to be a better source of XP for levelling alt-jobs that isn't grinding PotD/HoH/Bozja or the one or two dungeons worth running at your level.
    You can run though without a tank though. Ilvl bloat makes it easy.
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