Delete Clemency and Vercure

[Arrius]

But what if im waiting to benediction you? Or essential dignity (which is strong the lower health youre on).

Use it earlier than later, especially with the delay benediction has. Which did kill me a few times because of that.

[ForteNightshade]

Use it earlier than later, especially with the delay benediction has. Which did kill me a few times because of that.

Define earlier. The person quoted simply said "when my HP gets low". Is that 50%? 20%? Goji just below you assumes "low" is <50%. Which takes away significant value from both Benediction and Essential.

Delete Clemency and I unsub. It is as simple as that. I do not play FF14 to have these cookie cutter roles but to be able to have spur of the moment assist during a fight. If you start deleting abilities because there is crossover in any form then the MMO becomes extremely bland and boring.

To each their own, I suppose, but Clemency should basically almost never see any use outside prog. That isn't to say I want it deleted. I really couldn't care less either way. If, however, you're using it frequently. You either are far too cautious or have bad healers.

[SturmChurro]

To each their own, I suppose, but Clemency should basically almost never see any use outside prog. That isn't to say I want it deleted. I really couldn't care less either way. If, however, you're using it frequently. You either are far too cautious or have bad healers.

PLD who starts using Clemency frequently is a paladin who doesn't need me to heal them. So I don't.

[ForteNightshade]

PLD who starts using Clemency frequently is a paladin who doesn't need me to heal them. So I don't.

Exactly. If I see a Clemency go off at like say, 60%, I'll continue to Holy spam without a second thought.

[Goji1639]

Define earlier. The person quoted simply said "when my HP gets low". Is that 50%? 20%? Goji just below you assumes "low" is <50%. Which takes away significant value from both Benediction and Essential.

Getting maximum value out of Bene and Essential isn't necessary. I'm not always in the mood to guess at whether the Healer fell asleep or he's trying to show off when he lets my health just sit below 50 on a huge pull, so I'll do his job for him.

If Healers mind me using Clemency they shouldn't give me a reason to. If they don't mind then everything's cool.

[ForteNightshade]

Getting maximum value out of Bene and Essential isn't necessary. I'm not always in the mood to guess at whether the Healer fell asleep or he's trying to show off when he lets my health just sit below 50 on a huge pull, so I'll do his job for him.

If Healers mind me using Clemency they shouldn't give me a reason to. If they don't mind then everything's cool.

50% isn't even that low, if we're being honest. You're in no danger whatsoever even doing super pulls. At least, assuming you have proper mitigation rolling. Furthermore, getting value out of Bene is huge for healers who typically do a massive amount of damage in large enough pulls. For reference sake, it'll take 2-3 Cure II/Solaces to make up the loss of using Bene at 50%. Depending on the dungeon, of course.

Nevertheless, I'm not going to be miffed if you want to spam Clemency. But if I see a Paladin start doing that, I pretty much ignore them completely.

[Goji1639]

50% isn't even that low, if we're being honest. You're in no danger whatsoever even doing super pulls. At least, assuming you have proper mitigation rolling. Furthermore, getting value out of Bene is huge for healers who typically do a massive amount of damage in large enough pulls. For reference sake, it'll take 2-3 Cure II/Solaces to make up the loss of using Bene at 50%. Depending on the dungeon, of course.

Nevertheless, I'm not going to be miffed if you want to spam Clemency. But if I see a Paladin start doing that, I pretty much ignore them completely.

As I said originally, if my health goes below 50 I'll generally give it a few seconds; enough time to finish your Holy cast or whatever, but from there if the OCD heals don't start I will use Clemency to keep myself at least at 50. Acting like you have to stretch Bene further than that to maintain your pace in a normal dungeon is just silly; at that point you're just trying to show off, and I say it's up to the tank whether or not he wants to put up with that or just start healing for you.

I honestly wish all tanks had an option to take the reigns on healing like that.

[SturmChurro]

As I said originally, if my health goes below 50 I'll generally give it a few seconds; enough time to finish your Holy cast or whatever, but from there if the OCD heals don't start I will use Clemency to keep myself at least at 50. Acting like you have to stretch Bene further than that to maintain your pace in a normal dungeon is just silly; at that point you're just trying to show off, and I say it's up to the tank whether or not he wants to put up with that or just start healing for you.

I honestly wish all tanks had an option to take the reigns on healing like that.

50% is WAY too high for me to bother.

Had to tank a dungeon, got queue as I posted this, so I couldn't finish thought.

Let me explain, we are talking about dungeons here, right? Unless you aren't using your cds, 50% is nothing. I can heal that very quickly, very easily. There is no need to start using clemency.

[Goji1639]

50% is WAY too high for me to bother.

That's fine. I don't mind healing for you.

The only issue here is that apparently some Healers do mind when classes like PLD and RDM decide to take over healing when the healer can't be bothered.

[Curisu]

I honestly wish all tanks had an option to take the reigns on healing like that.

The shb expert dungeons are not so hard that there would be the need to consider a panic clemency at 50% hp.
By then you should have about 90k HP left and that is enough to survive 3-4 more GCDs and by then the pull could be dead.

There is also passive heals that the healer is going to use to keep you alive until the pull is dead.

Also, when I'm healing then I let the tank often drop low, not because I want to show off but because it's just more efficient to not overheal someone.