Delete Clemency and Vercure

[ADVSS]

Nothing against OP but RDM and PLD having a cure, is RDM and PLD being RDM and PLD. Outside of that, the point of those tools is to ease the burden on healers, unfortunately, sometimes it might take a little from their job of healing(healers), but its not the intended purpose because the cost of MP is absolutely tasking on PLD and curebotting is absolutely a massive DPS loss for RDM as well as mana costly. As many people have stated, there are tons of reasons why people would overdo it, or not put their trust entirely on a healer they just met for one instance in one DF they will probably be repeating ad nauseum. When youve got a game like this, that pairs you with any and all walks of life and experience and ability, you will eventually run into some "winners". I think any PLD main or RDM should get bitter if they remove these abilities, primarilly because they literally belong to these jobs to begin with. Its the very rare chance they actually give a job an identity without crapping all over it due to what space on the role shelf the devs decided to place it on. Also just to lay it out there in terms of balance "as intended" or whatnot 3/3 healers can res 2/10 dps can res 0/4 tanks can res.
This means theres a high probability if both/or one healer dies, its most definitely a wipe on any instance. I wouldnt cry if PLD got a raise tbh. I think the shared burden of success shouldnt be left to one role.

[KadaRemnant]

I think some people should stop having too much pride and think about the game as a teamwork.
Each job bring something to help the team. I main dancer and some abilities are to support and help healers give more heals. So it should be removed too? How about instead we keep it the way it is so everyone help each other complete stuff in game? I love vercure and veraise and i don't use them to make the healers mad but to help the team if things go wrong.

[Quintessa]

I main dancer and some abilities are to support and help healers give more heals. So it should be removed too? How about instead we keep it the way it is so everyone help each other complete stuff in game?

I don't think anyone is gonna complain about a heal that bounces off the partner and hits anyone else nearby for the full effect.

[Jijifli]

I think some people should stop having too much pride and think about the game as a teamwork.
Each job bring something to help the team. I main dancer and some abilities are to support and help healers give more heals. So it should be removed too? How about instead we keep it the way it is so everyone help each other complete stuff in game? I love vercure and veraise and i don't use them to make the healers mad but to help the team if things go wrong.

There really isn't a problem with things off global going off to help, but that's the thing, off global.

The reason I assume this thread even existed is because of, say, RDM's who completely stop doing their role they signed up under (dps) in order to assist the healer with their role. And while that sounds okay, the consideration here is that he is dropping what he's doing to assist you.

To some, including myself, this can easily come off as "I have to help you because you're unable to do it." Is that probably the intent? No, but I can't see much of a reason otherwise unless things are legit going to hell.

[Kiajin]

ive only seen rdm using vercure when nothing is under controll. also if you feel insulted by someone using vercure and clemency i think your the problem.

I've been that healer that died quickly & pld & rdm (ninja) killed the boss w/o me & I've also been on the other end my friend being the rdm & I pld which the Healer was either afk or died...

I like pld as it is. If they removed clemency they would have to adjust them to be on par with the other tank damage wise (my pld isn't 80 yet so). Pld less damage high self sustain compared to gunbreaker high damage but more healer dependent
My current experience at least at a healer & current lvling tanks I have little experience on rdm (I booked my rdm)

[Sacred-Oblivion]

As a tank, when my HP gets low I have to assume the healer is incompetent and use clemency on myself.

HP low and I assume healer incompetence: if I’m right I live, and if I’m wrong I also live.

HP low and I assume healer has it under control: if I’m right I live, and if I’m wrong I’m DEAD.

Only assuming incompetence guarantees survival. So please don't let your tank’s HP get low!

[ReiMakoto]

As a tank, when my HP gets low I have to assume the healer is incompetent and use clemency on myself.

HP low and I assume healer incompetence: if I’m right I live, and if I’m wrong I also live.

HP low and I assume healer has it under control: if I’m right I live, and if I’m wrong I’m DEAD.

Only assuming incompetence guarantees survival. So please don't let your tank’s HP get low!

But what if im waiting to benediction you? Or essential dignity (which is strong the lower health youre on). Also theres the fact that casual level 80 content really doesnt require much healing at all if the tank knows what theyre doing.

[Arrius]

But what if im waiting to benediction you? Or essential dignity (which is strong the lower health youre on).

Use it earlier than later, especially with the delay benediction has. Which did kill me a few times because of that.

[ForteNightshade]

Use it earlier than later, especially with the delay benediction has. Which did kill me a few times because of that.

Define earlier. The person quoted simply said "when my HP gets low". Is that 50%? 20%? Goji just below you assumes "low" is <50%. Which takes away significant value from both Benediction and Essential.

Delete Clemency and I unsub. It is as simple as that. I do not play FF14 to have these cookie cutter roles but to be able to have spur of the moment assist during a fight. If you start deleting abilities because there is crossover in any form then the MMO becomes extremely bland and boring.

To each their own, I suppose, but Clemency should basically almost never see any use outside prog. That isn't to say I want it deleted. I really couldn't care less either way. If, however, you're using it frequently. You either are far too cautious or have bad healers.

[SturmChurro]

To each their own, I suppose, but Clemency should basically almost never see any use outside prog. That isn't to say I want it deleted. I really couldn't care less either way. If, however, you're using it frequently. You either are far too cautious or have bad healers.

PLD who starts using Clemency frequently is a paladin who doesn't need me to heal them. So I don't.