Delete Clemency and Vercure

[Sacred-Oblivion]

As a tank, when my HP gets low I have to assume the healer is incompetent and use clemency on myself.

HP low and I assume healer incompetence: if I’m right I live, and if I’m wrong I also live.

HP low and I assume healer has it under control: if I’m right I live, and if I’m wrong I’m DEAD.

Only assuming incompetence guarantees survival. So please don't let your tank’s HP get low!

[ReiMakoto]

As a tank, when my HP gets low I have to assume the healer is incompetent and use clemency on myself.

HP low and I assume healer incompetence: if I’m right I live, and if I’m wrong I also live.

HP low and I assume healer has it under control: if I’m right I live, and if I’m wrong I’m DEAD.

Only assuming incompetence guarantees survival. So please don't let your tank’s HP get low!

But what if im waiting to benediction you? Or essential dignity (which is strong the lower health youre on). Also theres the fact that casual level 80 content really doesnt require much healing at all if the tank knows what theyre doing.

[van_arn]

Remember kids, if the tank insists on healing themselves when you have things under control you can just go back to casting holy!

[Jijifli]

I think some people should stop having too much pride and think about the game as a teamwork.
Each job bring something to help the team. I main dancer and some abilities are to support and help healers give more heals. So it should be removed too? How about instead we keep it the way it is so everyone help each other complete stuff in game? I love vercure and veraise and i don't use them to make the healers mad but to help the team if things go wrong.

There really isn't a problem with things off global going off to help, but that's the thing, off global.

The reason I assume this thread even existed is because of, say, RDM's who completely stop doing their role they signed up under (dps) in order to assist the healer with their role. And while that sounds okay, the consideration here is that he is dropping what he's doing to assist you.

To some, including myself, this can easily come off as "I have to help you because you're unable to do it." Is that probably the intent? No, but I can't see much of a reason otherwise unless things are legit going to hell.

[Arrius]

But what if im waiting to benediction you? Or essential dignity (which is strong the lower health youre on).

Use it earlier than later, especially with the delay benediction has. Which did kill me a few times because of that.

[Goji1639]

On my PLD if I'm below 50% for more than a few seconds then I just assume I need to be the groups Healer. Healers who let the tanks HP get to like 15% are annoying; the way the server ticks and abilities tend to land late that could easily get the tank killed.

If a tanks health is low he doesn't know if you're playing chicken with Benediction or if you're just focused on a really funny part of whatever Netflix show you're watching. If I have the ability to heal myself I'm going to. If that offends Healers then they need to stay on top of things in a way that makes everyone aware they're on top of things.

[Raikai]

Differently from the OP, my experience with the healing utility of Vercure was actually being able to help out a struggling healer. I'm of the pov that removing off-role utility would only make jobs more boring and even more homogenized.

[Puremallace]

Delete Clemency and I unsub. It is as simple as that. I do not play FF14 to have these cookie cutter roles but to be able to have spur of the moment assist during a fight. If you start deleting abilities because there is crossover in any form then the MMO becomes extremely bland and boring.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Remember kids, if the tank insists on healing themselves when you have things under control you can just go back to casting holy!

^ this tbh

Also...
Making Clememecy an oGCD heal would make it no different than WAR's [Equilibrium]. Besides, PLD have the easiest & longest invuln cooldown, and slightly more defensive utilities compared to the rest of tanks. Letting them waste a potential damaging GCD for a targeted heal is a decent trade-off in my opinion. It also makes them slightly unique compared to the other tank, being able to target a GCD heal.
As for [Vercure], I wish they accumulate White Mana because they're technically a white magic like RDM's [Veraero] & [Verstone]. Same goes to [Verraise] as well. I believe that way it'll add a bit more consideration for player who wants to use them: "How many times can I use this before my Mana balance tips off?". Spam it, and that RDM will be in for a bad, -bad- mana fixing time.

[ForteNightshade]

Use it earlier than later, especially with the delay benediction has. Which did kill me a few times because of that.

Define earlier. The person quoted simply said "when my HP gets low". Is that 50%? 20%? Goji just below you assumes "low" is <50%. Which takes away significant value from both Benediction and Essential.

Delete Clemency and I unsub. It is as simple as that. I do not play FF14 to have these cookie cutter roles but to be able to have spur of the moment assist during a fight. If you start deleting abilities because there is crossover in any form then the MMO becomes extremely bland and boring.

To each their own, I suppose, but Clemency should basically almost never see any use outside prog. That isn't to say I want it deleted. I really couldn't care less either way. If, however, you're using it frequently. You either are far too cautious or have bad healers.