We Don't Need New Jobs

[Vespar]

So uh... whats wrong with wanting more jobs?
Variety is always good! Especially in Final Fantasy where you can be all the jobs.
For some people they like ALL jobs. Others, like myself prefer ranged/back line jobs.
Some only like melee... While some people may be content with only ever playing one job, like a guy in my FC.

That said though, for many of us, that one or two jobs that fit our playstyle will eventually get stale or boring and we'd like something new to try out and maybe fall in love with. Especially if that something is a new job that falls into our play style.
If all we ever had to play was the base 8 or 9 jobs ARR launched with for example, I'd have left ages ago due to boredom.

And its not just what jobs I like to play either. Having others be on different jobs also adds flare and spice to the game! I dont just see the same jobs/animations day in day out!

[TheMightyMollusk]

I don't want more jobs until we get a bigger armory chest. Or move DoH/DoL tools into their own tab. I don't have room for more weapons!

[Lithios]

I can when they whine at a Dev team who are already having to stretch themselves out across 18 jobs to balance and define.

WoW hasn't added new classes for two expansions with Shadowlands coming out.

Guild Wars 2 hasn't even released an expansion in awhile

These two are just examples that are still beloved and populated despite not having a billion jobs to choose from.

I am just saying when you look at it from the standpoint of how many we have...is it really justified getting shitty at Yoshi P and the team.

Square Enix isn't a single guy developing the game in their mother's basement, they've got more than enough resources to add & balance more classes.

Also an odd choice to use WoW as an example, seeing how they have 12 classes with 3 specs each. Not to even talk how WoW has a much deeper gear system than ff14 where you just get the highest ilvl. So yeah FF14 isn't even near WoW in terms of things that need to be balanced.

[Shougun]

Wanted echo WoW is far more than just a few classes, their gear and talents also add a lot to the mix- there is a lot going on to balance (or not lol) in WoW.



As for personally I'd love to see a transformation based job and hopefully another dark job (like dark knight, maybe ideally even a bit more dark with a story that would be unique enough to make sense of that). Most ideally on the pipe dream would be those two delivered together like a Vincent (FF7 / Dirge via chaos materia), Terra Branford esperkin (FFVI), latest FFXVI primal trailer vibes, Dante (DMC), Yuri (Shadow Hearts). Maybe extra touches like Sun Wukong, Bayonetta, Spawn, and like Constantine. May look at Illidan from warcraft I suppose, but our Vincent has a number of parralels that you might as well just look at Vincent lol. Made a thread on it XD...


Other jobs can be fun to level, just hope one day to see that sort of job in the FF universe (again sort of, since like Vincent).

[Deceptus]

I can when they whine at a Dev team who are already having to stretch themselves out across 18 jobs to balance and define.

It's SE's / FFXIV's own fault that they've had almost the exact same battle design team since ARR. They are adding new jobs every expansion and aren't adding staff to support them.

They don't even have enough designers to have a developer dedicated to each role. They only have 3.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ealer-designer.

They have a manager, 3 designers, and I think they got an intern / assistant somewhere in Stormblood or Shadowbringers.

The team are simply too thinly stretched to give it the attention and time that it needs. Thus we end up with the last minute knee jerk changes that are riddled with flaws and shortcomings. This isn't even a new thing. Every single expansion has landed with glaring problems afflicting at least one of the healer jobs.

They said healers, but multiple jobs have had extremely glaring issues almost every single expansion. MNK for 5 years, Healers for 5 years, 2.0 Warrior, 3.0 Bow Mage, 5.0 RDM Terrible Mana management, the list goes on.

[Dyvid]

It's SE's / FFXIV's own fault that they've had almost the exact same battle design team since ARR. They are adding new jobs every expansion and aren't adding staff to support them.

They don't even have enough designers to have a developer dedicated to each role. They only have 3.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ealer-designer.

They have a manager, 3 designers, and I think they got an intern / assistant somewhere in Stormblood or Shadowbringers.



They said healers, but multiple jobs have had extremely glaring issues almost every single expansion. MNK for 5 years, Healers for 5 years, 2.0 Warrior, 3.0 Bow Mage, 5.0 RDM Terrible Mana management, the list goes on.

Well if we are going to compare, BFA end credits only has one lead class designer then a bunch of game designers. But for the sake of argument lets say they do have a huge staff. While WoW only has 12 classes, each has three specs that they have an extremely hard time balancing out. Always has. They are basically trying to balance 36 "jobs" on top of revamping the class system during each expansion. And while a Class maybe viable, a certain spec isn't.

The benefit WoW has that FFXIV doesn't is Beta testing before launch to have players help with the glaring problems. A lot of problems from 5.0 could have been avoided if players could have tried the LV. 80 job and gave feedback. But then everything isn't a secret at launch. Personal i think SE needs a beta test to avoid problems.

To answer the OPs question though, yes we do need new classes to keep it fresh. A lot of players have everything maxed out and this gives them fresh content to play.

[Ilenya]

The benefit WoW has that FFXIV doesn't is Beta testing before launch to have players help with the glaring problems. A lot of problems from 5.0 could have been avoided if players could have tried the LV. 80 job and gave feedback. But then everything isn't a secret at launch. Personal i think SE needs a beta test to avoid problems.

This just reminds me of the fun conversations on the healer forums the past two expansions, where Healers were taking the information we had been given and calling foul on how mediocre to bad the skills were (Original Lilies were slammed so hard the forum mods had to combine the topics) but the Devs didn't actually change it. I don't suspect beta testing job changes would actually change anything with them.

[LadyAveria]

I appreciate all the replies, I personally don't know much about WoW so it was nice to hear that each class had a lot of different. My point I was trying to make is I see a lot of negatively towards the dev team when people don't get what they want when in fairness we do have a large selection of playstyles. I always played ffxiv for the story and the next expansion has me sold already with the story we are sinking our teeth in. I personally think that is what sells expansions but I understand a bit more why people want new jobs thanks to you guys so thank you.

Also the people that just commented about my facts being wrong but I said one number higher... Thanks I guess? You didn't really add anything to the conversation and I am sorry I offended you by going on number higher? Lol

[Yencat]

I always played ffxiv for the story and the next expansion has me sold already with the story we are sinking our teeth in. I personally think that is what sells expansions but I understand a bit more why people want new jobs thanks to you guys so thank you.

Story is a big part for many current players to keep playing, but they're also always trying to reach new and returning players. So if you want a lot of press coverage and buzz around your expansion then new shiny classes or races generally make a more exciting headline than just more story and systems and zones.

At some point they'll probably run out of inspiration for new jobs though and I'm very curious what they will do then, provided the game is healthy enough at that point to keep going.

[Dyvid]

This just reminds me of the fun conversations on the healer forums the past two expansions, where Healers were taking the information we had been given and calling foul on how mediocre to bad the skills were (Original Lilies were slammed so hard the forum mods had to combine the topics) but the Devs didn't actually change it. I don't suspect beta testing job changes would actually change anything with them.

LOL, well Tank and Healer need an entire symposium to address the hot mess SE turned it into. Beta would have address the issues that came during 5.0 and was "fixed" in 5.1