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  1. #51
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    Bopsheezi's Avatar
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    Bopsheezi Tenebrae
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetestLily View Post
    The problem is simply people not knowing how to tell the difference between a healer who is playing their class optimally and one of these bad healers. It is so tiring as a WHM when you get people with PTSD from an experience they had with another WHM and they end up shitting their pants the moment you cast 1 glare.
    What's worse is that you can't tell the difference until around 10% HP at times.
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  2. #52
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    SargentToughie's Avatar
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    Lana Arunika
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatfright View Post
    Try harder. Ice mages is a thing still. =)
    Distant Seinfeld theme playing in the background
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    #notallraiders

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    Sieya Mizuno
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    Look if you're a WHM I would assume part of doing your job would be to keep a regen on the tank.
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  4. #54
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    Sono Faolain
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    Quote Originally Posted by SargentToughie View Post
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    How nice of you to let me know of the soundtrack to your mindset.
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    "The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."
    J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

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    RajNish's Avatar
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    Asha Dakwhil
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetestLily View Post
    The problem is simply people not knowing how to tell the difference between a healer who is playing their class optimally and one of these bad healers. It is so tiring as a WHM when you get people with PTSD from an experience they had with another WHM and they end up shitting their pants the moment you cast 1 glare.
    The problem is that you are not reading exactly what I am talking about. I'm talking about people who don't heal at all. No way. Nowhere. Savage PF group. Heal is dead, tank is dead, WHM spamming their Glare while RDM and SMN resing ppl. And no, I'm not against off-dps optimization. Unless it's when half of your group is dead and the rest are 5% HP, because lack of healing.
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  6. #56
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    SargentToughie's Avatar
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    Lana Arunika
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    Balmung
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatfright View Post
    How nice of you to let me know of the soundtrack to your mindset.
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    #notallraiders

  7. #57
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    Ashemmi Yarkul
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    Balmung
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    White Mage Lv 100
    In 80% of cases, everything turns out to be exactly that toxic way, and either I have to heal the entire raid alone as a healer, losing a huge amount of mana. Or I have to think only about my own survival instead of wall-to-wall pulls and uptime playing as a tank or dps.
    If your percentage is correct, I would suspect that you are potentially overhealing. This may not be true, it's just a gut first impression. I have played with a number who make me feel like a solo healer, and it's stressful, but I can't agree that the percentage is that high. I *tend* to be a responsible healer, but if I have a co-healer who on their own accord isn't doing much offensive output and tends to overheal, I do lighten up on the healing. There's no sense in overhealing the overheal. At the same time, I am also an aggressive WHM. I absolutely will DPS, and I will not play the game of keeping everyone at 100%, as overheal is a waste of MP, a waste of effort, and in end slows things down for everyone.

    That playstyle isn't for everyone. Some people believe that healers shouldn't DPS, or do so at a very sparing pace. The way I see it...if the party doesn't die, and if I have a co-healer my effort healing lines up, there's really nothing to talk about.
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  8. #58
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    Asha Dakwhil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashemmi View Post
    If your percentage is correct, I would suspect that you are potentially overhealing.
    Yeah, with my Nascent Flash, Abyssal Drain, Aurora and Clemency as a tank in dungeons and with my spreaded Adlo and faerie's Embrace in raids.
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  9. #59
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    Machka Gikkingen
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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    The problem is that you are not reading exactly what I am talking about. I'm talking about people who don't heal at all. No way. Nowhere. Savage PF group. Heal is dead, tank is dead, WHM spamming their Glare while RDM and SMN resing ppl. And no, I'm not against off-dps optimization. Unless it's when half of your group is dead and the rest are 5% HP, because lack of healing.
    If a is healer performing like that in a Savage PF group they should just be kicked and replaced, end of story. There is no excusing a healer (or anyone tbh) not using their ogcds in savage content and they are essentially dead weight.
    Same could apply for current/recent ex primals as well.

    In most other situations though, if people aren't dying then what is the problem? Healers can solo heal pretty much any Duty Finder content. If the other healer can't handle it, then dps-only healers will either have to start healing or eat the wipe.
    If the other healer is dead on the ground and a healer just keeps only dpsing that will be a wipe and they should just be kicked and replaced. If it ends up a kill then well, it's fine b/c it's a kill.
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    Asha Dakwhil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    If a is healer performing like that in a Savage PF group they should just be kicked and replaced, end of story. There is no excusing a healer (or anyone tbh) not using their ogcds in savage content and they are essentially dead weight.
    Same could apply for current/recent ex primals as well.

    In most other situations though, if people aren't dying then what is the problem? Healers can solo heal pretty much any Duty Finder content. If the other healer can't handle it, then dps-only healers will either have to start healing or eat the wipe.
    If the other healer is dead on the ground and a healer just keeps only dpsing that will be a wipe and they should just be kicked and replaced. If it ends up a kill then well, it's fine b/c it's a kill.
    All of this sounds good under ideal conditions. In practice, it ends in wipes. You kicking one green DPS from the group and another one comes to you. You know, this is very strange to look at, when a group takes damage in the Bunker (newbies, AOE, tactical mistakes), three people are alive, including you, the second heal and the tank, and your co-heal just spaming Glare while the tank tries to shield you, while you resing ppl. Or when one of the groups killed you, your co-heal was raised first and he, resurrected you, immediately starts spamming Glare.
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