Toxic WHM Glare spammers

[KageTokage]

I feel like this mentality is partly why I regularly end up on the floor in Bozja while tanking because if my party's healers are dead I often won't get so much as a regen from the other healers present.

[Packetdancer]

I feel like this mentality is partly why I regularly end up on the floor in Bozja while tanking because if my party's healers are dead I often won't get so much as a regen from the other healers present.

That’s honestly more likely because it’s insanely hard to keep track of people outside of your own party. I’ll rez folks in other parties who I see on the floor, but I cannot see your party makeup, much less your buffs/debuffs unless I select you directly. Moreover, it isn’t even easy to select you directly in the first place (unless you’re who the boss is targeting), since I cannot use the function keys, the target selector on a controller, or click on you in an alliance list.

In an Alliance raid, I can see if most of another alliance is down, because I can see the list of jobs and little health bars next to each, and click one to select them. However, there’s no such ability in Bozja *and* twice as many people in a fight; I have no way of even knowing that those five people dead on the ground are healers unless I spot their weapons next to them (or they’re wearing distinctive glam), much less that three were the healers for a *specific party* who now need healing.

There can be up to 40 other people in a given fight besides my party and for all I know, that person at half health might have four healers in their party, a WHM planning to hit them with Benediction, an AST who has an Essential Dignity up their sleeve and is waiting for the person to hit 40% before using it... in short, I’m generally going to worry about my own party, and trust other healers to handle theirs.

Obviously if there’s only like 10 people alive in a fight I’ll try to keep an eye on other peoples’ health whether or not they’re in my party, but in general? If you are not in my party you are neither my problem, nor my responsibility; the other seven I’m partied with are. I’m not going to be selecting random other people mid-fight to see if you need Esuna or Regen or whatever unless my party is fine and you are clearly in significant distress.

Picking you up off the floor is not ideal, but it *is* the most obvious sign of “in significant distress” to draw the attention of a healer outside your party.

[Penthea]

That’s honestly more likely because it’s insanely hard to keep track of people outside of your own party. I’ll rez folks in other parties who I see on the floor, but I cannot see your party makeup, much less your buffs/debuffs unless I select you directly.

I have names turned off to reduce clutter which is especially handy in places like Eureka and Bozja. I do have hp bars displayed when they have lost hp but because people run around a lot it can be very difficult to target them. Also a lot of healer abilities only work on those in your party so sometimes your options to help someone are slim.

I really wish there was a way to display the names of only dead players. It would make finding corpses in combat far easier. I do res when I can, but sometimes someone's glam blends in very well with the terrain.

[Ashemmi]

I've also not experienced a healer in 4man fully refusing to heal. Like maybe not healing dps when they take avoidable damage which sometimes leads to their death upon them taking unavoidable damage but I've not seen someone just not heal at all apart from a SCH in AV once who wouldn't cast succor or WD. We couldn't progress past the first boss because no one could stay alive through the bleed.

Nor have I. I've had plenty of tanks/DPS get anxious from not getting topped off, or being allowed to drop under 70%, calling it not healing. There are plenty of healers who don't understand their full kit, or just potentially are having a bad day. None who don't heal at all.

[Ashemmi]

I personally have little use for combat healers that are dps first, healer second. I will use Holy if I can go through the cast time and not lose the tank (which depending on the tank and the pull can be a problem)

if I have time and no one is in urgent need of healing I will help with dps, )

DB, Regen, Swiftcast, Holy/Holy/Holy/Assize. In that time your tank has not taken damage due to the stun. Anything which happens to slip through DB, and is too much for regen will be fixed by the assize. Your offense in large pulls, from the start, is a fantastic mitigation tool. You also happen to assist in knocking down the mobs quite a bit.

[Enla]

DB, Regen, Swiftcast, Holy/Holy/Holy/Assize. In that time your tank has not taken damage due to the stun. Anything which happens to slip through DB, and is too much for regen will be fixed by the assize. Your offense in large pulls, from the start, is a fantastic mitigation tool. You also happen to assist in knocking down the mobs quite a bit.

This, I don't think people realize how useful that stun on Holy actually is. In the time it takes for the mobs to come out of it, or for my party to knock them out of it, I've already set up HoTs and usually am already healing up any preliminary damage on the tank. In places like Bardam's Mettle that stun was a life saver at level, especially with tanks who pulled wall to wall, because it basically was a soft 'reset' on the start of any encounter. I'd argue that Holy is an essential part of a WHM's HEALING kit when used properly and without fail most of the WHM's I've met that struggled with healing tend to ignore it like the plague.

Hell I wish I had a spell as good as Holy as a SCH. I'd trade the extra damage on Art of War for a stun or silence in a heartbeat.

[Ashemmi]

This, I don't think people realize how useful that stun on Holy actually is.

Many don't, and yes, that stun is definitely 'healing', it translates directly and quickly. When they do, especially tanks, the dynamics of the party changes. Pop Arms length or other mitigation strats *after* the opening Holy gambit, and you have even more time with less duress. That's another discussion all together in how many tanks forget how fantastic AL is. They remember it as knockback, but greatly discount or forget about that 20% slow.

[Novae]

There are a lot of bad healers in this game. If they want to DPS only as WHM, can they at least use assize? Nope, glare glare glare die, glare glare die, idling, die again, glare oops die. Help rezzing? Lol please, they have to glare first.
My experience in Puppet's Bunker basically.

[Packetdancer]

This, I don't think people realize how useful that stun on Holy actually is. In the time it takes for the mobs to come out of it, or for my party to knock them out of it, I've already set up HoTs and usually am already healing up any preliminary damage on the tank.

I joke to the sprouts in my FC that one of a healer's best damage mitigation skills is actually doing damage themselves, but it's only sort of a joke. And when it comes to Holy, it's not a joke at all; the up-to-seven seconds of stun that you can get with Holy can make a breathtaking difference.

I actually ran an early HW dungeon as tank for a sprout WHM several weeks ago, and noticed she wasn't Holy-ing. She said she was nervous and focusing solely on healing because she'd had to struggle in a previous dungeon. So, being a helpful WHM main, I had her try an experiment: we got together a pre-made party (so no worries about upsetting random roulette folks) and ran the dungeon with her just healing. And then we ran the same dungeon with the same people, but where I guided her through doing damage as a healer.... Holy in particular.

She found that the ~7 seconds of Holy stun at the beginning of a pull made a huge difference in how much healing she had to do, dropping Asylum on top of the blob when I gathered them together meant she'd got a HoT in place and could keep doing Holy, and that meant the extra damage killed the pack more quickly. So she didn't have to keep trying to heal and potentially run out of ways to heal as she did.

I knew it would probably the be case, but the difference was far more stark than I'd actually anticipated. In the end, the sprout WHM said she found it far less stressful to heal the same dungeon when doing damage than she had when solely focused on healing, because she actually had to heal less damage when she was DPS'ing as well. Which could seem counter-intuitive on first glance, and evidently wasn't at all what she expected...

But then, that was the point of the experiment in the first place.

[Bravely_Default]

I feel like this mentality is partly why I regularly end up on the floor in Bozja while tanking because if my party's healers are dead I often won't get so much as a regen from the other healers present.

Agreed. it's because of this I end up healing a majority of the time now in Bozja. Can't even count how many times ive seen tanks just get ignored and I have to pick up the slack for the other 4 white mages nearby spamming glare. bonus points when the fate/boss dies and the healers mount and instantly run off leaving the dead body on the floor.