Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
It's also literally not the same world at all, so limiting this game based on another game is silly.
I mean...the GAME isn't being limited. Just a race is being kept consistent (for now)
Thats not limiting, its not like we've ever seen one to begin wit in any past FF game so...

Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post
I get that there's really not much to discuss—we already know exactly why they didn't include male Viera on the first go-round. And I get that when everyone is just spinning their wheels, arguments are bound to be circular. But is the old "they're beholden to Ivalice Alliance lore" thing really being rehashed again?

FFXIV is not an Ivalice Alliance game. It is not beholden to Ivalice Alliance lore. It is not beholden to the lore of any preexisting Final Fantasy game, for that matter. There are so many examples of homages and references to past Final Fantasy games not being 1:1 adaptations of the source material that the idea that Viera alone are bound to the lore of a previous game is baffling.
Its just gonna happen, unless conversation about Male Viera is locked, or just outright stops, these exact same conversations will always come back up. There IS in fact nothing to talk about, so we are Always gonna keep rehashing the same conversations.
Now True, FFXIV is not an Ivalice game. But the Viera are an Ivalice Race. And Ivalice is in FFXIV. Its still Ivalice, and they are still Viera. Viera are still from Ivalice.
So...yeah. lol
The only reason I pick on Viera to stay consistent, is because they don't exist outside of their Source. At least yet.
Most other things like say Ifrit and Bahamut are used and adapted many different times throughout the franchise, so its nothing different and new that they did so again.
Viera have never been used again outside of Vialice.

Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
It seems strange that you would argue "Ivalice is Ivalice" but then turn around and say "Well timelines dont matter". Youre quoting lore when it suits you and rejecting it when it doesnt. If were gonna go with the "Its the established lore!" route with how Viera should behave as a race, then it behooves us to take it all and not pick and choose when it benefits us.
Viera are from Ivalice, another timeline doesn't change that what so ever. Ivalice IS still Ivalice. So yes, timeline doesn't matter, the lore is still the same.
This isn't what benefits Me or my argument, this is just a simple fact. Its not like the Viera change unless its been established that they are actually different. Which as far as I can tell hasn't happened yet. YET.
Even on the 1st they are kept the same. And its not like its said that the males were wiped out or anything. So unless something is said, the Viera worked the same on the 1st and on the Source, and from their source.