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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    I mean...the GAME isn't being limited. Just a race is being kept consistent (for now)
    Thats not limiting, its not like we've ever seen one to begin wit in any past FF game so...



    Its just gonna happen, unless conversation about Male Viera is locked, or just outright stops, these exact same conversations will always come back up. There IS in fact nothing to talk about, so we are Always gonna keep rehashing the same conversations.
    Now True, FFXIV is not an Ivalice game. But the Viera are an Ivalice Race. And Ivalice is in FFXIV. Its still Ivalice, and they are still Viera. Viera are still from Ivalice.
    So...yeah. lol
    The only reason I pick on Viera to stay consistent, is because they don't exist outside of their Source. At least yet.
    Most other things like say Ifrit and Bahamut are used and adapted many different times throughout the franchise, so its nothing different and new that they did so again.
    Viera have never been used again outside of Vialice.



    Viera are from Ivalice, another timeline doesn't change that what so ever. Ivalice IS still Ivalice. So yes, timeline doesn't matter, the lore is still the same.
    This isn't what benefits Me or my argument, this is just a simple fact. Its not like the Viera change unless its been established that they are actually different. Which as far as I can tell hasn't happened yet. YET.
    Even on the 1st they are kept the same. And its not like its said that the males were wiped out or anything. So unless something is said, the Viera worked the same on the 1st and on the Source, and from their source.
    You apparently dont get it. If the timeline doesnt matter, its not the same 'Ivalice' that you are quoting lore from. What helps establish it being the same Ivalice is the order of which things occur. If things arent occuring in the correct order, that changes a lot of hte background information of the place. Claiming its teh same despite different timelines implies that it isnt the same due to it having a different 'history' than what youre quoting. Similar, sure you can argue that, but it is not the same Ivalice. Which is probably good because that actually gives Devs breathing room to modify lore - which they should.

    Second, FFXIV isnt a continuation from the original FFXII. Thats been established.

    Lastly, you missed my point. It's the fact that they ARE the same on the first as well as on the source thats the issue. Why are they the same when every single race gets different treatment lore wise because they have different histories. This is an inconsistency within FFXIV world building, which comes up specifically because they just dropped FFXII lore into FFXIV without any large adjustments. From a lore perspective, Viera is the outlier in FFXIV. And the reason theyre an outlier is because of meta reasons - the devs didnt create male viera and split the new races between HrothGar and Viera. To explain no male viera, they just ran with FFXII lore, even if it doesnt fit within FFXIV pre-existing lore and world building.
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    Last edited by Melichoir; 09-24-2020 at 09:06 AM.