Party Finder RMT selling clears and items

[RokkuEkkusu]

If SE is not willing to ban or warn those discord sellers about their wording in party finder, then at least increase the size of the blacklist to 300 or 500. The amount of party finders with along the lines of "selling" and "discord" are getting out of hand IMO.

[kaynide]

This whole "leave someone dead" angle is a nice attempt to defend sellers, but I've yet to see a bought log where they leave the buying account dead. For the sellers who don't do 8 accounts at a time of course, which is the obvious best choice if you have any idea what the words "time management" mean.



Bismark Ex can be done solo easily. Pick Warrior and save a Chaos and Inner Release. Isn't even tight.
You know, while I'm here.

Waaaay off topic, but do you kill the Sunuwa before they cluster together/get massive damage reduction, or what? Genuinely asking as I didn't spend a lot of time to figure it out.

[kaynide]

You were asking what account sharing has to do with anything and were arguing that it is possible to clear with 7 people, making it "legal" to sell those clears. But Alexander Ultimate is NOT possible with 7 people and can't be done without account sharing/piloting another account, which would be against the ToS same like RMT. So there is no way it is "legal" to sell a Alexander Ultimate clear, makeing the offer suspicious and reportable to begin with - which is the whole point of this thread.

I was never specifically talking about Alexander.

The point of this whole thread was, quote:

Please add a right click > Report RMT to the party finder. It's getting out of hand and just completely cluttering up the party finder with garbage.

To which I responded:

If you aren’t positive that the run-selling is RMT, then the player really hasn’t done anything wrong.

It’s like anything else in the game- a player has put in the time to be able to sell a product that has some kind of demand. Another player doesn’t want to put in the effort to do it themselves, but has the means to pay for the service.

It’s essentially the same as paying a crafter for their products.

Moreover, if some kind of content built for 8 people can be done with 7, perhaps the content isn’t really that difficult -or- the 7 man team has earned some kind of right to “sell” their skills.

-and-

Not saying I condone RMT, but I am more “innocent until proven guilty”.

And there really isn’t anything I can do to prove otherwise- that’s on SE to investigate.
All that said, if ultimates can be done by 7 people, I would say that’s more of a mistake to where either SE made it too easy, or the player skill is that good. If in-game currency is to be made there, I do not blame the players.

YOU replied:

The only way they can sell you an ultimate clear is through account sharing which is against the TOS.

..which is false, as I and others linked videos of groups CLEARLY doing UCOB and UWU, 7 man.

To which you changed into:

Maybe UCoB and UWU are now doable with 7 players but people are also selling Ultimate Alexander clears and that can't be done (so far) without 8 active people, so account sharing/piloting your character is an absolute requirement for that.

So now we're talking about Alexander and/or the assumption that the carry needs be controlled by third party?

If you think something is suspicious, report away. Nobody stopping you.

tl;dr:

(OP) Report Illegal RMT > (Me)Guilty Until Proven > (You)But You Can't 7 Man Ultimates >(Me/others)Yeah, you can: links > (You)But not Alexander > (Me) Ok...so report away if you have proof.

[Seddrinth]

Anyone mislabeling to get their stupid ad at the top should be reported. I don't care if they're selling or not. If they are using the Expert Tag and are not looking for a group to do Expert with, that should be a reportable offense where the person is booted from using Party Finder. I'm not even asking for disciplinary action, just Party Finder bans of appropriate length depending on how many reports the person has earned in a day, week, etc. Its ridiculous and has been since well before Stormblood.

Mislabeling? Like labeing your group a farm party and then wiping on easy mechanics? I agree that should definitely be reportable.

[Seddrinth]

Ultimates and some current raid tiers require 8-man for mechanics like LR in E8S but there are "other ways" to run 8 man with only 7 ppl or less which is why they always say to meet somewhere else. I think feigning ignorance to the fact that despite you can't assume that what they are posting on PF is RMT, you can't deny that it is sketchy. It's the same reason you see ppl posting feet pics and other things in the PF. As long as the actual transaction is not happening in the game then there's no issue (which is messed up imo).

It's like having a known pedophile hanging around the playground. If he's not doing anything the owners of that playground can't do anything and it's up to the parents to just ignore or move away from him. A hyperbolic example, yes, but the point is these clear sellers are cluttering up the PF and sadly I had to blist some players who I have raided with before and are pretty good players but I hate seeing those clear sells. Really cheapens the achievements of Ultimates imo.

I personally would not pay for any ultimate or savage clears. I wouldn't even buy mogstation mounts just cuz I think it's stupid to buy digital goods for a video game. But it is just a video game and if someone else wants to do that with their money, I honestly don't care. I get the argument that it lessens the the achievement of players who cleared legitimately, but again, it's just a video game so I don't take it seriously. I mean, if you are worried about video game achievements then you really need to rethink your life. I absolutely agree with SE as a company policing RMT sales of course.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

That's the problem right there - can't report someone for RMT just based on a hunch.

Selling runs for gil should also be a ban-able offense.
They should let us pass RMT reports as easy for run sellers too.

[Seddrinth]

Selling runs for gil should also be a ban-able offense.

That's way too extreme. I personally see nothing wrong with providing an in game service for gil. Honestly, if you are against RMT you should encourage people to pay with gil instead of money.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

That's way too extreme. I personally see nothing wrong with providing an in game service for gil. Honestly, if you are against RMT you should encourage people to pay with gil instead of money.

No is not, because they sell gear basically. And im a crafter.
I don't see a diference between them and RMT really, is getting iLevels for money one way or another while ruining crafting.

So yeah, check the logs and also retroactively ban anyone who ever sold or purchased a run.

[Liam_Harper]

Most people selling ingame are not Rmting they are doing it for gil.

Source?

I glanced at PF just now and every single party selling runs directs you to discord. Why do they need to do this if they're all legitimate. Besides, you can check this easily for yourself by adding them on discord and asking for prices. (Hint: the majority won't list gil)

[Canadane]

How does this work exactly? The bots I mean. I'm always been curious about it. I saw them a couple of times (names like ahsgksdfksdfksdfbsdkfbsdkbf or something, with "Wanderer" title), standing at the same spot, teleporting... what does these bots even do when they do that? What advantages does the person using them are gaining for using them like that?

These are Gil farms. I’ll refrain from posting the common countries these are run in, but it’s fairly well known.
Anyway, they simply script a bunch of accounts to automate themselves to 50 and then from the looks of it, farm Amdapor Keep over and over again. It’s one if the earliest level 50 dungeons, can be spammed 100ish times a day per character (there’s a global daily limit), and generates gil from kills.
There’s been a number of complaints about the wait times to get into AK, it’s real bad for legitimate players.

Anyway, if you ever see someone RMT advertising in the starting cities, these gibberish bots is where all the gil comes from. Usually.
There’s other even worse ways to get gil but this at least explains the flock of poshacking bots you see.

The only real way to stop it is to make it unprofitable by not buying gil. I highly doubt they even legitimately pay for the hundreds if XIV jets needed for each character. It’s likely stolen CC info. So there’s no real monetary loss when they get banned, they just redo it all. There’s no effort from a human, it’s all automated. Until people stop buying gil (what are they even buying with it?) they’ll probably never stop farming.