Party Finder RMT selling clears and items

[RokkuEkkusu]

If SE is not willing to ban or warn those discord sellers about their wording in party finder, then at least increase the size of the blacklist to 300 or 500. The amount of party finders with along the lines of "selling" and "discord" are getting out of hand IMO.

[Yelta_Sumasu]

Honestly I wish all the (non RMT) listings for selling runs and gear, static and FC recruitment type stuff could just be put in a separate Advertisements tab or something. I don't really mind if someone posts they are selling the newest crafted gear for a lower price... Just don't make me look at it when I am trying to find actual content to run.

[kaynide]

If you aren’t positive that the run-selling is RMT, then the player really hasn’t done anything wrong.

It’s like anything else in the game- a player has put in the time to be able to sell a product that has some kind of demand. Another player doesn’t want to put in the effort to do it themselves, but has the means to pay for the service.

It’s essentially the same as paying a crafter for their products.

Moreover, if some kind of content built for 8 people can be done with 7, perhaps the content isn’t really that difficult -or- the 7 man team has earned some kind of right to “sell” their skills.

[Marxam]

Moreover, if some kind of content built for 8 people can be done with 7, perhaps the content isn’t really that difficult -or- the 7 man team has earned some kind of right to “sell” their skills.

Ultimates and some current raid tiers require 8-man for mechanics like LR in E8S but there are "other ways" to run 8 man with only 7 ppl or less which is why they always say to meet somewhere else. I think feigning ignorance to the fact that despite you can't assume that what they are posting on PF is RMT, you can't deny that it is sketchy. It's the same reason you see ppl posting feet pics and other things in the PF. As long as the actual transaction is not happening in the game then there's no issue (which is messed up imo).

It's like having a known pedophile hanging around the playground. If he's not doing anything the owners of that playground can't do anything and it's up to the parents to just ignore or move away from him. A hyperbolic example, yes, but the point is these clear sellers are cluttering up the PF and sadly I had to blist some players who I have raided with before and are pretty good players but I hate seeing those clear sells. Really cheapens the achievements of Ultimates imo.

[kaynide]

Ultimates and some current raid tiers require 8-man for mechanics like LR in E8S but there are "other ways" to run 8 man with only 7 ppl or less which is why they always say to meet somewhere else. I think feigning ignorance to the fact that despite you can't assume that what they are posting on PF is RMT, you can't deny that it is sketchy. It's the same reason you see ppl posting feet pics and other things in the PF. As long as the actual transaction is not happening in the game then there's no issue (which is messed up imo).

It's like having a known pedophile hanging around the playground. If he's not doing anything the owners of that playground can't do anything and it's up to the parents to just ignore or move away from him. A hyperbolic example, yes, but the point is these clear sellers are cluttering up the PF and sadly I had to blist some players who I have raided with before and are pretty good players but I hate seeing those clear sells. Really cheapens the achievements of Ultimates imo.

Not saying I condone RMT, but I am more “innocent until proven guilty”.

And there really isn’t anything I can do to prove otherwise- that’s on SE to investigate.
All that said, if ultimates can be done by 7 people, I would say that’s more of a mistake to where either SE made it too easy, or the player skill is that good. If in-game currency is to be made there, I do not blame the players.

[Seddrinth]

Ultimates and some current raid tiers require 8-man for mechanics like LR in E8S but there are "other ways" to run 8 man with only 7 ppl or less which is why they always say to meet somewhere else. I think feigning ignorance to the fact that despite you can't assume that what they are posting on PF is RMT, you can't deny that it is sketchy. It's the same reason you see ppl posting feet pics and other things in the PF. As long as the actual transaction is not happening in the game then there's no issue (which is messed up imo).

It's like having a known pedophile hanging around the playground. If he's not doing anything the owners of that playground can't do anything and it's up to the parents to just ignore or move away from him. A hyperbolic example, yes, but the point is these clear sellers are cluttering up the PF and sadly I had to blist some players who I have raided with before and are pretty good players but I hate seeing those clear sells. Really cheapens the achievements of Ultimates imo.

I personally would not pay for any ultimate or savage clears. I wouldn't even buy mogstation mounts just cuz I think it's stupid to buy digital goods for a video game. But it is just a video game and if someone else wants to do that with their money, I honestly don't care. I get the argument that it lessens the the achievement of players who cleared legitimately, but again, it's just a video game so I don't take it seriously. I mean, if you are worried about video game achievements then you really need to rethink your life. I absolutely agree with SE as a company policing RMT sales of course.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

If you aren’t positive that the run-selling is RMT, then the player really hasn’t done anything wrong.

Moreover, if some kind of content built for 8 people can be done with 7, perhaps the content isn’t really that difficult -or- the 7 man team has earned some kind of right to “sell” their skills.

The only way they can sell you an ultimate clear is through account sharing which is against the TOS. It simply cannot be done with only 7 active players and no party will teach you the fight as this would take hours or days as one mistake is usually going to wipe the group. Selling a clear means they will log in with your account and play with your character to get you what you want. So even if it is not RMT it is still a bannable offense.

[MariaArvana]

The only way they can sell you an ultimate clear is through account sharing which is against the TOS. It simply cannot be done with only 7 active players and no party will teach you the fight as this would take hours or days as one mistake is usually going to wipe the group. Selling a clear means they will log in with your account and play with your character to get you what you want. So even if it is not RMT it is still a bannable offense.

Actually, both UCOB & UWU (alledgedly, but with one person just staying dead to still have LB3) have been 7-manned due to substat & potency inflation & gear changes in SHB have made the dps checks much easier. They're extremely difficult 7-manned, don't get me wrong, but it is -technically- possible a group could 7-man sell those Ultimates through gil completely legit. TEA is the one that's impossible to 7-man. Whether they would or not is a different question, just addressing that is is indeed -possible-.

Link to the ucob clear I watched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGZ-wFZ5cM8&

[kaynide]

The only way they can sell you an ultimate clear is through account sharing which is against the TOS. It simply cannot be done with only 7 active players and no party will teach you the fight as this would take hours or days as one mistake is usually going to wipe the group. Selling a clear means they will log in with your account and play with your character to get you what you want. So even if it is not RMT it is still a bannable offense.

I’m not sure what account sharing has to do with anything. To sell runs all you need to do is be able to clear it with 7 people (which has been done). It just requires some janky hijinks or bleeding-edge optimization/gear. Difficult doesn’t mean impossible. And of course with each passing week, you get more and more people who are better at the fight..just a matter of time before groups can confidently “sell” a run.

[Absurdity]

I’m not sure what account sharing has to do with anything. To sell runs all you need to do is be able to clear it with 7 people (which has been done). It just requires some janky hijinks or bleeding-edge optimization/gear. Difficult doesn’t mean impossible. And of course with each passing week, you get more and more people who are better at the fight..just a matter of time before groups can confidently “sell” a run.

I would assume that it doesn't matter if you could do an ultimate with 7 people from a dps standpoint, the mechanics simply won't let you if someone is dead 90% of the time. Even savage fights have mechanics where you simply wipe unless all 8 people execute them correctly, Light Rampant being a good example. You can't "carry" someone through E8S with only 7 people doing mechanics.