Party Finder RMT selling clears and items

[Pepsi_Plunge]

If you aren’t positive that the run-selling is RMT, then the player really hasn’t done anything wrong.

Moreover, if some kind of content built for 8 people can be done with 7, perhaps the content isn’t really that difficult -or- the 7 man team has earned some kind of right to “sell” their skills.

The only way they can sell you an ultimate clear is through account sharing which is against the TOS. It simply cannot be done with only 7 active players and no party will teach you the fight as this would take hours or days as one mistake is usually going to wipe the group. Selling a clear means they will log in with your account and play with your character to get you what you want. So even if it is not RMT it is still a bannable offense.

[MariaArvana]

The only way they can sell you an ultimate clear is through account sharing which is against the TOS. It simply cannot be done with only 7 active players and no party will teach you the fight as this would take hours or days as one mistake is usually going to wipe the group. Selling a clear means they will log in with your account and play with your character to get you what you want. So even if it is not RMT it is still a bannable offense.

Actually, both UCOB & UWU (alledgedly, but with one person just staying dead to still have LB3) have been 7-manned due to substat & potency inflation & gear changes in SHB have made the dps checks much easier. They're extremely difficult 7-manned, don't get me wrong, but it is -technically- possible a group could 7-man sell those Ultimates through gil completely legit. TEA is the one that's impossible to 7-man. Whether they would or not is a different question, just addressing that is is indeed -possible-.

Link to the ucob clear I watched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGZ-wFZ5cM8&

[kaynide]

The only way they can sell you an ultimate clear is through account sharing which is against the TOS. It simply cannot be done with only 7 active players and no party will teach you the fight as this would take hours or days as one mistake is usually going to wipe the group. Selling a clear means they will log in with your account and play with your character to get you what you want. So even if it is not RMT it is still a bannable offense.

I’m not sure what account sharing has to do with anything. To sell runs all you need to do is be able to clear it with 7 people (which has been done). It just requires some janky hijinks or bleeding-edge optimization/gear. Difficult doesn’t mean impossible. And of course with each passing week, you get more and more people who are better at the fight..just a matter of time before groups can confidently “sell” a run.

[Absurdity]

I’m not sure what account sharing has to do with anything. To sell runs all you need to do is be able to clear it with 7 people (which has been done). It just requires some janky hijinks or bleeding-edge optimization/gear. Difficult doesn’t mean impossible. And of course with each passing week, you get more and more people who are better at the fight..just a matter of time before groups can confidently “sell” a run.

I would assume that it doesn't matter if you could do an ultimate with 7 people from a dps standpoint, the mechanics simply won't let you if someone is dead 90% of the time. Even savage fights have mechanics where you simply wipe unless all 8 people execute them correctly, Light Rampant being a good example. You can't "carry" someone through E8S with only 7 people doing mechanics.

[kaynide]

I would assume that it doesn't matter if you could do an ultimate with 7 people from a dps standpoint, the mechanics simply won't let you if someone is dead 90% of the time. Even savage fights have mechanics where you simply wipe unless all 8 people execute them correctly, Light Rampant being a good example. You can't "carry" someone through E8S with only 7 people doing mechanics.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ek4y1k7rA

Ultima ultimate cleared with 7 people. I never specified any specific fight, just that if it were possible, people could make money.

There is a difference in stance that “all ultimates can be done with 7”, and “fights which can be done with 7 will see clear sales”. My point is the latter.

I’m not sure what you are assuming, because even Bismarck ex needs 2 people to do unsync’d. Certain fights just require bodies. Some don’t.

[kaynide]

This whole "leave someone dead" angle is a nice attempt to defend sellers, but I've yet to see a bought log where they leave the buying account dead. For the sellers who don't do 8 accounts at a time of course, which is the obvious best choice if you have any idea what the words "time management" mean.



Bismark Ex can be done solo easily. Pick Warrior and save a Chaos and Inner Release. Isn't even tight.
You know, while I'm here.

Waaaay off topic, but do you kill the Sunuwa before they cluster together/get massive damage reduction, or what? Genuinely asking as I didn't spend a lot of time to figure it out.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

I’m not sure what account sharing has to do with anything. To sell runs all you need to do is be able to clear it with 7 people (which has been done).

Maybe UCoB and UWU are now doable with 7 players but people are also selling Ultimate Alexander clears and that can't be done (so far) without 8 active people, so account sharing/piloting your character is an absolute requirement for that.

[kaynide]

Maybe UCoB and UWU are now doable with 7 players but people are also selling Ultimate Alexander clears and that can't be done (so far) without 8 active people, so account sharing/piloting your character is an absolute requirement for that.

Which was never my point.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Which was never my point.

You were asking what account sharing has to do with anything and were arguing that it is possible to clear with 7 people, making it "legal" to sell those clears. But Alexander Ultimate is NOT possible with 7 people and can't be done without account sharing/piloting another account, which would be against the ToS same like RMT. So there is no way it is "legal" to sell a Alexander Ultimate clear, makeing the offer suspicious and reportable to begin with - which is the whole point of this thread.