I'm gonna say something unpopular: I don't like to rush.

[ReiMakoto]

Ok, so no one is ever allowed to practice or be learning. As soon as you roll tank you need to already be a master or GTFO.

No, I'm trying to say the bar is so low you don't need to be a tank master to achieve a large pull, so double pulling also is not an issue. If you are learning to tank, the best thing to do is to push your boundaries and not wallow in your comfort zone. The worst that can happen is you die, which is not a big deal, and you'll have learned something, pulling one pack because you're learning (especially if you're level 50+) is absolutely a detrimental attitude for yourself

[Raynn]

OP, I tend to be the same way. I don’t rush or pull wall to wall. I tend to do the constant activity pull, where I’ll gather a group or two, fight that one down to 1 or two adds, then run for the next while dps chases and kills the last couple. By the time they do, I’ve usually already got the next one to two groups gathered up so it creates a constant flow of combat. I’ve never had a complaint, but I’m sure some hard chargers may have wished I went at break neck speed.

This works better for me, since gathering up whole runs of adds sometimes causes issues with dps not burning fast enough or healers unable to keep up. You’re still getting thru a dungeon in roughly 15 minutes or less which I think is a pretty fair time. At the end of the day, you’re the tank. You set the pace. If others have issues with that, they can always swap and tank they way they want to.

Unless you’re a DRK. If you’re not pulling insane groups as that then TBN isn’t being used to is full potential.

[Doozer]

Cool, just go straight to insulting him. Don't offer any counter arguments or be willing to debate. Really backs up your points and views.

You must be fun to hang out with too.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Boy, the pot is really adamant about calling the kettle black today

[Katie_Kitty]

I mean when you get to expert dungeons there's not really any meaningful distinction between "double pulls" and "wall to wall" because 99% of those pulls are walled at two packs. In fact I doubt there's a single pull in the two current expert dungeons that involves more than 2 packs of mobs, maybe there might be one, but it's sure as heck the exception and not the rule.

At lvl80, you are expected to pull from one wall to the next. That's just life. Put on your big girl pants and get the job done, or play something like DPS where that isn't your responsibility.

[Katie_Kitty]

Ok, so no one is ever allowed to practice or be learning. As soon as you roll tank you need to already be a master or GTFO.

At level 80, you're not learning anymore

[Doozer]

At level 80, you're not learning anymore

Lots of people are. That expectation right there is why people get criticized over stupid stuff. And with each new level cap there's new skills and new rotations to learn, etc.

If you think people have nothing left to learn at level cap, you're the one who needs to learn something.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Lots of people are. That expectation right there is why people get criticized over stupid stuff. And with each new level cap there's new skills and new rotations to learn, etc.

If you think people have nothing left to learn at level cap, you're the one who needs to learn something.

That's true... For the first couple pieces of lvl 80 content.


2-3 patches in is not "fresh lvl 80" anymore.


You should know what a basic rotation is, what stack markers are, what AoEs are, what defensive cds and healing ogcds are. How cure 3 is not a single target spam heal you use, same with medica 2.


These are all things I've seen in lvl 80 instances.

[Doozer]

2-3 patches in is not "fresh lvl 80" anymore.

You make the assumption that every single player you encounter achieved level 80 within the first week of ShB's release. Don't be daft. Not everyone has been level 80 for multiple patches. Thinking your own experiences are universal is why there's such a divide in this community and why there's so much hostility at the first mistake.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You make the assumption that every single player you encounter achieved level 80 within the first week of ShB's release. Don't be daft. Not everyone has been level 80 for multiple patches. Thinking your own experiences are universal is why there's such a divide in this community and why there's so much hostility at the first mistake.

No, I mean multiple patches worth of content. Not when they released.


You have to go through 3-4 lvl 80 dungeons to be current. Plus multiple lvl 80 trials and raids.


There's no excuse to be in the latest dungeon and not know how skills you got 30 lvls lower work.


Not understanding new mechanics in content the first time you see them is fine. Everyone makes those kinds of mistakes.


No one at lvl 80 should be running away with a stack marker, standing in clearly marked AoEs, or spamming medica 2/not using defensive cool downs or using their own AoEs in packs of mobs.