I'm gonna say something unpopular: I don't like to rush.

[ReiMakoto]

Ok, so no one is ever allowed to practice or be learning. As soon as you roll tank you need to already be a master or GTFO.

No, I'm trying to say the bar is so low you don't need to be a tank master to achieve a large pull, so double pulling also is not an issue. If you are learning to tank, the best thing to do is to push your boundaries and not wallow in your comfort zone. The worst that can happen is you die, which is not a big deal, and you'll have learned something, pulling one pack because you're learning (especially if you're level 50+) is absolutely a detrimental attitude for yourself

[ItMe]

Tanking is the same whether you pull 1 pack or 3 packs. Tank stance on, AOE, use cooldown. Besides, tanks don't start level 80, you should have enough practice by that point.

No way man. There's a big difference in how you use your cooldowns depending on if you're saving them for the next pack, or chugging through them all cuz the miniboss is next and those are always easier to tank than mobs.
And you're right, tanks don't start at 80. But I've read more than enough posts on this forum about people grumbling about slow pulls in low level duties to know that doesn't really make a difference. When I was learning I was expected to PERFORM in ARR content and people would literally scold and mock me if I used grit.

No, I'm trying to say the bar is so low you don't need to be a tank master to achieve a large pull, so double pulling also is not an issue. If you are learning to tank, the best thing to do is to push your boundaries and not wallow in your comfort zone. The worst that can happen is you die, which is not a big deal, and you'll have learned something, pulling one pack because you're learning (especially if you're level 50+) is absolutely a detrimental attitude for yourself

Is there really no conceivable situation where someone might still pull less?
Perhaps they just ran this duty, and KNOW they can't manage more mobs, but still haven't levelled past it and are running it again.
Perhaps they see the healer is undergeared and pull slower. I know I've been there and still had a DPS still gets unhappy about the pace.
Perhaps they fucked up and actually need to slow down. Maybe they hit too many cooldowns before or hit one on accident and don't have the stuff to take another big pull.
Perhaps some people just don't learn by that trial by fire method and they want to ease into things with a more measured approach.
Yes, learning and pushing yourself are important, but that doesn't mean you're only option is big pulls.

[phantomr23]

No way man. There's a big difference in how you use your cooldowns depending on if you're saving them for the next pack, or chugging through them all cuz the miniboss is next and those are always easier to tank than mobs.
And you're right, tanks don't start at 80. But I've read more than enough posts on this forum about people grumbling about slow pulls in low level duties to know that doesn't really make a difference. When I was learning I was expected to PERFORM in ARR content and people would literally scold and mock me if I used grit.

I don't necessarily know about this - given the vast majority of dungeons in this game go 2 packs -> wall -> 2 packs -> boss you can kind of just do the same rotation of cooldowns regardless of what's happening. By the time most tanks have used all their cooldowns they probably have their shorter cooldowns coming back online, and in the worst case have their short, filler cooldown to kill time. Also, are you talking about pre-ShB, because if people were shouting at you for using grit in ARR content when it's the current tank stance I'd be absolutely baffled.

As for your other point, I think you and a lot of other people are conflating mega pulls with double pulls (I'd absolutely agree that a non-experienced tank or healer can take some of the massive pulls slower just in case). I don't know about other people but as long as tanks at least set double pulls as a baseline I'm happy, because double pulls aren't much harder hitting than single pulls. I've had both myself and a healer coming into Dohn Mheg at bare minimum gear and level and we still safely did two packs at a time.

[ItMe]

As for your other point, I think you and a lot of other people are conflating mega pulls with double pulls (I'd absolutely agree that a non-experienced tank or healer can take some of the massive pulls slower just in case). I don't know about other people but as long as tanks at least set double pulls as a baseline I'm happy, because double pulls aren't much harder hitting than single pulls. I've had both myself and a healer coming into Dohn Mheg at bare minimum gear and level and we still safely did two packs at a time.

Perhaps you're right.
I (and many others) might be conflating double and mega pulls.
I feel like that's part of what's leading to so much disagreement.
And I'm def with you on all this

I don't know about other people but as long as tanks at least set double pulls as a baseline I'm happy, because double pulls aren't much harder hitting than single pulls. I've had both myself and a healer coming into Dohn Mheg at bare minimum gear and level and we still safely did two packs at a time.

[ReiMakoto]

Is there really no conceivable situation where someone might still pull less?
Perhaps they just ran this duty, and KNOW they can't manage more mobs, but still haven't levelled past it and are running it again.
Perhaps they see the healer is undergeared and pull slower. I know I've been there and still had a DPS still gets unhappy about the pace.
Perhaps they fucked up and actually need to slow down. Maybe they hit too many cooldowns before or hit one on accident and don't have the stuff to take another big pull.
Perhaps some people just don't learn by that trial by fire method and they want to ease into things with a more measured approach.
Yes, learning and pushing yourself are important, but that doesn't mean you're only option is big pulls.

For the first pull of a dungeon. Yes there is no reason why you shouldn't pull more than one, there is no other way of knowing wether or not you can double pull the content than practice, and the worst that can happen is you die, which is literally not an issue, i would much rather someone actually try and die than pull a single pack. to take your points one by one.

- If you just ran it and couldnt handle more than one that time then you had a bad healer, maybe this healer is better.
- The healer being undergeared is irrelevant, min item level healers can still heal through double packs
- Dungeons are undertuned enough that even with no cds you can survive double pulls
- You arn't learning anything by pulling single packs, your rotation is the same and you cycle cooldowns essentially the same, eitherway, the only difference is the number of mobs