I'm gonna say something unpopular: I don't like to rush.

[Katie_Kitty]

Lots of people are. That expectation right there is why people get criticized over stupid stuff. And with each new level cap there's new skills and new rotations to learn, etc.

If you think people have nothing left to learn at level cap, you're the one who needs to learn something.

Nope. Every time there's a new level cap, everyone wants to keep playing this game and lowering the standards, and I don't subscribe to that magazine. By the time you've leveled a tank all the way to 80, there is no excuse for "learning." You're not "learning." You've had 80 levels of "learning." Learning is over, now it's time to play the game.

[Doozer]

Nope. Every time there's a new level cap, everyone wants to keep playing this game and lowering the standards, and I don't subscribe to that magazine. By the time you've leveled a tank all the way to 80, there is no excuse for "learning." You're not "learning." You've had 80 levels of "learning." Learning is over, now it's time to play the game.

If you're not learning something new every once in a while, even if it's just totally trivial and small, then you're just doing it to yourself. I learned something new the other day when playing SAM despite being level 80 for a while. That doesn't mean I'm bad, it just means I'm better now than I was before I learned it.

And people can keep saying "oh if you don't know stack markers by level 80, blah blah blah" but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm not saying it's fine for people to not know to get out of AoEs at level 80, so we can stop with the strawman. Maybe someone else said that, but I didn't.

No matter what you're doing in life, whether it's a skill, a hobby, a video game, etc., you can always learn something new. Thinking you have nothing left to learn is foolish and immature.

[Daibunnie]

Lots of people are. That expectation right there is why people get criticized over stupid stuff. And with each new level cap there's new skills and new rotations to learn, etc.

If you think people have nothing left to learn at level cap, you're the one who needs to learn something.

What exactly are you learning at a level 80 roulette dungeon? Your 1-2-3 combo? Learning to use cds? Maybe learning how to count the number of adds on screen to determine whether or not you should aoe instead of single target? Regardless of a new level cap and skills, you should know the basics especially after leveling the job to the level cap.

[Katie_Kitty]

If you're not learning something new every once in a while, even if it's just totally trivial and small, then you're just doing it to yourself. I learned something new the other day when playing SAM despite being level 80 for a while. That doesn't mean I'm bad, it just means I'm better now than I was before I learned it.

And people can keep saying "oh if you don't know stack markers by level 80, blah blah blah" but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm not saying it's fine for people to not know to get out of AoEs at level 80, so we can stop with the strawman. Maybe someone else said that, but I didn't.

No matter what you're doing in life, whether it's a skill, a hobby, a video game, etc., you can always learn something new. Thinking you have nothing left to learn is foolish and immature.

Putting aside the fact that there's no reason for me to believe you have much skill with Samurai beyond "I was at lvl80 for a while," mastery tricks for a DPS is quite another beast compared to the simple act of performing your role in a MSQ dungeon as a tank. Trying to pretend that "I learned something new about Samurai" is somehow the same thing as "I'm capable enough of a tank to do double pulls and use cooldowns" is hilariously ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst. At level 80, there is no excuse for a tank to struggle with their basic responsibility in simple dungeons.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I accept your surrender!

I love the world we live in where expecting basic competency is elitism, but calling people names isn't toxic.

[Katie_Kitty]

I love the world we live in where expecting basic competency is elitism, but calling people names isn't toxic.

Ironically, in 6.0 this guy will be back here saying "They're not even level 90 so they're still learning!" Then we get to move the goalposts again so lazy people can be bad for longer without ever getting their butts in gear.

[phantomr23]

So, genuine question. I see a lot of people saying that it's fine to single pull because pulling more packs is more effort, but is that really true? You're still doing the same thing regardless of enemy number; DPS do their AOE rotation and stay out of the bad, tanks rotate cooldowns and do their rotation, and healers cycle through oGCD heals, then fill the gaps with GCD heals and DPS until oGCDs come back. The only thing that ever changes based on pack size is the speed at which the healer cycles through their oGCDs, right? If you don't have the DPS to kill the enemies then you'll wipe eventually, but barring very particular pulls where you can go above 2 packs of hard hitting enemies (Bardam's Mettle, Doma Castle. Holminster, either Anyder) this has to be extraordinarily slow to happen. This might come across as a leading question but I'm legitimately curious - what changes when you pull more than one pack in terms of intensity?

[Awha]

Hahah every time you try and agree with someone it sounds like you're trying to contradict them.
I'm not gonna lie, I started at your response to me for a good long while trying to figure out what to make of it.

Question, is it okay to vote kick someone for wanting to rush if the group wishes to take their time?

I do feel most people would agree that it is a valid reason to remove someone. I also agree that it is a valid reason to remove someone, since at the core how they play differs from the overall group. Same could be said if a person wants to take it slower and the group wants to go quicker.

The reason behind why I think does not matter since by ib large that probably differs greatly from person to person.

[Doozer]

I wonder what the level cap is right now and what specific piece of content is being discussed. Regardless, I could easily change my piece to "level 70-80 dungeons" and the premise would still be the same, but nah, continue to name call when you don't have anything of substance to say.

I mean, you can equate level 80 content with roulettes all you want if that's what makes you right, lmao. I'm not wasting my daily posts on here arguing about semantics. And if you're so sensitive that you think "you're a card" is name calling, I'm amazed you can function while being so triggered all the time. I had things of substance to say, until you pretended I said things I didn't in order to have a reason to argue with me. The OP used level 80 roulette as an anecdote, we're not forced to discuss that only. Especially since I'm somehow the only one held to that standard when others can trash on me all day and not even use the word roulette. But it's okay. I understand how you play. Continue, I'll just watch you fight yourself.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I mean, you can equate level 80 content with roulettes all you want if that's what makes you right, lmao. I'm not wasting my daily posts on here arguing about semantics. And if you're so sensitive that you think "you're a card" is name calling, I'm amazed you can function while being so triggered all the time. I had things of substance to say, until you pretended I said things I didn't in order to have a reason to argue with me. The OP used level 80 roulette as an anecdote, we're not forced to discuss that only. Especially since I'm somehow the only one held to that standard when others can trash on me all day and not even use the word roulette. But it's okay. I understand how you play. Continue, I'll just watch you fight yourself.

Well, the only other lvl 80 content is ex fights, and no one should be learning their jobs in those, and savage/ultimate, which yeah....

Dungeons and normal raids are in roulettes, as are the trials. Using semantics to say you weren't talking about roulettes doesn't help you.

You act like we're all the elitists but the only one being toxic is you.