Quote Originally Posted by Yue_Amariyo View Post
again.
You're being really passive aggressive and it's absolutely infuriating to read. Please try to be direct with your problems instead of this really poor communication style you've got going on.

You want to say dungeons are difficult for some people - that's true! But it doesn't mean that doing full pulls requires a high skill level from even most of the group. Let's explore.

This all hinges on the tank actually pulling big so we have to assume he is. What does he need to do? He needs to have tank stance on. He needs to make contact with each enemy a few times to maintain threat. It would be nice if he appropriately used defensive CDs but ultimately this can be compensated for but the healer so it doesn't really get to be called necessary. It'd also be great if he dished out some damage but, again, it certainly isn't what anyone could call mandatory for the completion of the pull.

Healers? To handle a big pull they need to not blow all their CDs at once. That's all. You can get by spamming your Cure 2/Benefic II/Physic/Adlo if you really need to. Using Lucid Dreaming and other MP tools would be nice but honestly unless a pull is taking an inordinate amount of time you don't even really need to. Like tanks it'd be nice if healers dpsed but the lack of it isn't wiping a big pull.

Then we have dps. They need to... do some semblance of an AoE rotation? You don't need your DNC to have banked 80+ esprit, 4 feathers and their tech/devilment window to handle a full pull, if they're just pushing the buttons that hit more than one enemy you'll make it eventually. Same goes for any other dps. It would be nice if they optimized to focus their resources on burning down big pulls over bosses since that's where the tank damage comes from but it certainly isn't necessary.

So please explain how any of the necessary elements of wall to wall pulling require skill? If you have a tank and two dps spamming inefficient AoE rotations and a curebot just focus targeting the tank and tunneling on his hp bar you'll clear any pull in current max level roulettes.

The rest of your post is filled with nonsense and excuses. Just because someone is 80 doesn't mean they play the job often? Sure, but if they're taking the job into a group of other random players they need to understand their skills first. They might be getting interrupted? If this is happening often enough to not be a fringe niche case maybe they need to log off and feed their children or whatever. Still their own fault.

The assumption that everyone can handle a full pull is being made because everyone can handle a full pull. If you can't you need to look into what you're doing wrong before you play again. Can the issue sometimes be someone else? Sure, I'm not blaming the healer if the tank stands in multiple overlapping AoEs or is wearing gear from 15 levels ago but those experiences are so few and far between the time lost by single pulling far outweighs any potential wipes to pulling too big.

The last thing I'll say is if you continue to experience a problem in this game you need to look in a mirror. If every big pull you're in seems to fail the common denominator is you. What are you not doing correctly? Read up, figure stuff out. We are all responsible for our own performance and we owe it to our party members to do our best to achieve expedient completion of all our instances.