turbo controllers the new bot crafting?

[DardGhalawad]

So, I know that SE states that they don't allow 3rd party programs to in the game. But aren't Turbo controllers the same thing except the program is on your controller? The LS I WAS in clearly states "NO BOTTERS" so if someone can stay up all night crafting or stay on all day crafting. While they're either asleep or at work how is that not botting? I think maybe SE should consider changing their policy on this subject.

/10 flame resist (after that I'm screwed! >.<)

Edit:

Had to post this in the OP it's too good.

They even admitted to afking all night with they're turbo controllers on and everyone was ok with it.

OMG another witch hunt on the loose!

All they would have to do it prevent turbo controllers being an issue is make it so you dont just have to hit a single butting repeatedly, throw and UP in there or Down and problem solved (for turbo controllers anyway)

Didn't they put the choice from leves button recipes into the normal ones, because ppl, and I mean everyone, asked for it? They did!

the problem isnt people watching tv etc etc while doing this though

the problem is people who are literaly afk while having the control doing so

i watch tv while hitting enter, and i can easily pay attention to the screen at the same time(tells tend to stand out of course)



and in the end, yes, you can blame the players, if a player cheats, its his fault, its not the games fault, its not the controlers fault, its not the program hes using fault
he made a concious choice to cheat, its his fault

Watching tv while pressing enter and pay attention to the tells, if i dont know the ppl that sends me tells i usually ignore + /blist

but yeah at this point in the game, accusing anyone of anything based on their levels is a bit rediculous
HOWEVER, accusing someone who goes from 1-50 in a craft in a week is not....(there are those doing it)

Going from 1 to 50 in a week it is not possible unless they also use exp scrolls and even if they do, I still dont buy that it can be done in a week.

I used to play Evony many moons ago and that game is rife with botters despite the game having a far better defined anti-cheating policy than FFXIV.
From experience unless there are enough formal complaints about a player the company who runs/owns the game will do very little to police their own policies over this the moment there is money involved.
To start ousting players at critical time such as this for FFXIV (implementation of subs,game incomplete etc) would be detrimental to its success and most likely its existence.
To all those "anti-botters",take heart from the fact that you are only really in competition with yourself as there is currently no PVP,that is when it will become a real issue.
Should PVP be implemented expect the game to become utterly intrenched in botting as SE will regard botters subs just as acceptable as everyone elses
Sorry if this offends/annoys anyone but sadly I've experienced it many times-you either deal with it or quit.
Money talks here im afraid ,all other moral questions are secondary

Agree with that logic, but not with this witch hunt!

Further more, hardware companies that make those controllers also make personalized keyboards with various buttons key functions, turbo button, macros key, turbo delay function, etc etc.
But its fun to see mindless ppl making an huge storm in small cup of water.

Quote Originally Posted by TheVedis View Post
you cant make that an excuse for botting, it still doesnt fly


i dont think you understand whats going on

it is ok to use a turbo control

BUT

it is not ok to leave it on while afk

there is a big difference that seperates the 2 and people cant justify botting by stating "se lets us do it"

in the end, the terms of service flat out say you cant do it, and thats the bottom line
No, they don't. That's the issue.

There are two things that count here, and they would be the rules and policies as listed under SQUARE ENIX Account and FINAL FANTASY XIV.

FINAL FANTASY® XIV User Agreement
Last Updated: 8/16/2011

2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.
At this time there is NO definition of terms regarding botting or automation software. Thus this is far too cryptic, and the fallback is the standard concept that bots and automation software are software programs. This does not include controllers as people view them as hardware.


Ah, here's something better.
Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV

Activities that destroy game balance
Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.
So I don't really get "tools" in terms of computers too well, but I think of that as a program, at minimum being akin to the data parsers that have grown so popular. That's what I'd call a tool. As for controllers, keyboards, and mice, I wouldn't say so. After all, that'd be ridiculous. This game will end up on the PS3. Does a Sony controller fall under this category? "Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players." If you claim a controller is a tool, then yes, and I don't see how they plan on pulling that off without being required to punish everyone not using a Square Enix brand controller. Thus it cannot be termed a tool or program as per the first sentence, and as the second says the use of programs or tools to perform continuous actions is referred to as "absentee play," it cannot be considered "absentee play" either.

And this is why care is usually taken when writing all that lawyer mumbo jumbo.

There is no point arguing the matter further.

I was gunning for a dev response, but what is truly needed is either a revision to the rules and policies and/or a revision to the crafting system.

You guys need to read Sherman Antitrust Act (Sherman Act,[1] July 2, 1890, ch. 647, 26 Stat. 209, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1–7) [USA] or Article 101 of the Treaty [EU] and Article 102 of the Treaty [EU]. To understand why there is no definition of terms regarding botting or automation software. And a bit of information for consumers rights. That all I had to say! For now