turbo controllers the new bot crafting?

[Rydin]

Going from 1 to 50 in a week it is not possible unless they also use exp scrolls and even if they do, I still dont buy that it can be done in a week.

bullshit....

You can spam standard... if its within 5 levels of you, you'll complete 50-60 synths an hour
5 or 6 levels above you and you're getting 30-33k an hour
60*550= 33,000exp per hour
2-3 levels above you and you're getting 20k an hour....
60*350 = 21000exp per hour
there are recipes at every level.
So lets say you could get.. on average 25k an hour.....
thats 72 hours of crafting from 1 - 50
25,000 exp * 72 hours - 1,800,000 exp (Roughly the amount needed from 1 - 50)
10 hours and 17 minutes a day of crafting will be equal to 72 hours in a weeks time

10 hours of gameplay a day indicates you have little to no life... but you're hardly a bot
and it's very doable

And honestly.... If it isn't your "FIRST" 50, then you probably do have enough money to buy all the mats and shards (IF you dont already have them) that you need to do the whole thing... so yes... 1-50 crafting is very possible in a week

Lets say you had to farm your own mats.... and played 16 hours a day... (It sounds extreme but yes.. people do this legitimately)
You could still do it in a week if you really researched what synths were the best for each level....
The best I could do was level 30-50 in 8-10 days... with no scrolls.. because I am too cheap to buy all the mats

so youd be doing it legit basicaly compared to the people who walk away and ignore their computer, and then use "im watching tv" as an excuse for not seeing the computer, when the fact is they werent even at the computer to begin with(or had the screen minimied which is pretty much the same imo)

Dual monitors for the win

[Dreamer]

The problem isn't turbo controllers, programmable controllers, or even bots. The problem is that the crafting process we currently have is insanely boring. While I like the idea of a more involved crafting system, what we've been given is a monstrosity that not even trained monkeys can enjoy.

While I appreciate the recipe refinements and food overhaul coming soon, what we REALLY need is a complete redo of the crafting minigame.

[Asiaine]

Hello,

When crafting I often having have my little finger hitting the enter key all the time while watching TV or day-dreaming or something. I hope this does not mean I'm a bot, as that is a lifestyle choice I was not prepared to make, and will need deep counselling.

I also can not always see messages (chat windows are small as I play on laptop and try to reserve space for scenery), and the messages from crafting fill it up each time. Will this mean I will get in trouble?

I also do not have the sound on a lot. The music is beautiful, but after 4 hours of the same tune non-stop, it starts to get a bit tiresome, so I listen to different things.

I'm hoping this is not a case of 1984 where I have to stare at the screen at all times or be in trouble.

Also, when fighting... I do similiar things. When levelling up Archer solo I would go after those big flowers that take a while to kill but hardly do damage. I would just F10, then 1-1-1-1-1-1, repeat. Often I would not always pay attention to screen. Does this mean I will get in trouble?

I sometimes turn off my chat logs (or switch to the log that shows only battle information and not talk messages), and forget to switch back. Will this mean I will get in trouble if someone sends me a tell and I did not respond?

I'm hoping that I do not get in trouble because I do not have appropriately sized chat log screens with the right filters set and my eyes on them at all time, lest I miss a message. That would make me very sad indeed.

And if 'botting' is such a problem, why not make crafting/gathering more involved. Why design it to specifically work best by simply hitting enter-key all the time? Why not make it as involved as battles are? At the very least a system where you XP only during levequests (which are hard to bot), and then craft on your own not for XP but because you want to make something? (Of course, the levequest system would need to change so we could do as many as we want for crafting).

I'm hoping if anyone gets in trouble for crafting it will only be those who are clearly seen to be bots beyond all reasonable doubt (character does nothing but craft, no skills in other jobs, 24 hours a day for days at a time non-stop).

Anyways, sorry to take up your time with another (possibly pointless) message. I'm going to go back to hitting the enter key now.

Thank you.

[Katt]

i think DardGhalawad has some great points, and that TheVedis needs to get of there high horse.

I'll mass make shards when I watch the news, Conan, The Tonight Show, Colbert. I don't even pay attention to the game and for the most part don't even look at my screen. So by TheVedis thoughts if a GM goes to talk to me and I miss the text in the chat window, I should get banned and not care since I don't care about the game.... Again get off your high horse, I like the game I play with others. Just because I hate the fact that crafting is boring as hell and I don't pay attention while doing it, Doesn't mean I should get banned if I don't reply to someone. (Hell I have Conan on one screen, I'm pressing the "A" button on my controller non-stop with the game on another screen, and I'm typing this with my other hand, on my other system. And you think I'm watching the screen with FF on it?)

Crafting for hours isn't content and it does needs to be fixed.

When I'm trying to level up my crafting skills since it's "OH, so FUN", I make sure I have the mats I need to make something a few hundred times, I make the first one, and then I keep hitting the "A" button on my controller to make the rest and then I watch something on my other screen/tv so I'm not board as hell.

I didn't even know getting a controller with "Auto Fire" was an option, until I came across this on the forms!

One thing I find funny is that the official Black controller ( http://www.japantrendshop.com/elecom...ad-p-1265.html ) has an auto button. I did do some digging and it does make any of the buttons go on auto. So hit it once and it'll spam that button, press it again and it'll stop. So if this isn't allowed Square Enix REALLY needs to get there act together for allowing a company to make an Official controller that breaks the rules.

[SilverF]

It doesnt matter if they change the order.. U have macro keyboards as well.. that can do intervalls.. like press down then enter.. so i guess thats why SE doesnt bother

[DyskoFox]

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-Something FFXI related
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-Stating our own personal opinions.

This thread is amazing by the way.

I did not in any way attempt to troll these forums with this post. I was hoping to get a DEv post on if this was acceptable or not. I also wanted to bring up a thread so others could discuss this subject. I was in an ls who banned all botters but didn't ban people for afking durring work, sleep etc. with their turbo controllers on. So, I brought it to the ls leader. The ls leader said his hands were tied because it is not clearly stated. I stated my opinion to him and left the ls because I did not want to be grouped in with those whom I felt were botters. If a dev posts and say's your opinion is moot to me ok I will suck it up, shut up, and deal with it. But if they say that afking while a turbo controller bots for you I will inform said ls leader and send him a link as proof. He said he doesn't want botters in his ls and I think that rule should apply to those who afk for extended periods of times while they craft. Afk as in not there spamming enter not those whom watch a video or browse te internet because they might not have the game up but they are still are at the computer. Yes, my opinion might be stupid but they're still at the computer. My problem is with those who are sleep crafting/etc.

Offtopic: How do one request a GM?

Double offtopic: All of my icons are showing up in japanese even though I am in the english forums anyone know how I can swap them back to english?

[Gospel]

Your post is fine and is very much needed right now. I was just being an ass with my post. Matters like these are delicate and usually lead to entertaining results, even if the topic creator had good intentions.

[Whippet]

People need to start worrying about more important stuff

I don't care about bots or Turbo Crafting till it doesn't bug me.

In FFXI i hated bot claim because it was altering the others game. But Turbo Crafting it doesn't change my game so i dont care

[Vermilion]

Honestly, if they do decide to ban people for using turbo controllers. I'm sure many people who didn't even use them would be caught up in the crossfire. I know that I just sit around and smash my select button over and over while I talk with my linkshell on mumble or do some reading/watch tv. And I do this for hours. I'm sure to SE it would look just like botting. Since turbo controllers don't have any visible scripts, how can they tell the difference between a person who sits there spamming their key while doing other things, or a person who leaves their crafts on turbo all day. We need an official statement about this just to shut us all up.

[TheVedis]

Honestly, if they do decide to ban people for using turbo controllers. I'm sure many people who didn't even use them would be caught up in the crossfire. I know that I just sit around and smash my select button over and over while I talk with my linkshell on mumble or do some reading/watch tv. And I do this for hours. I'm sure to SE it would look just like botting. Since turbo controllers don't have any visible scripts, how can they tell the difference between a person who sits there spamming their key while doing other things, or a person who leaves their crafts on turbo all day. We need an official statement about this just to shut us all up.

they wont ban ased on you "might" be doing it

they wont actualy look for use of a turbo control itself, just the automation of your character while you are afk for the most part when it comes to this


as has been said by plenty of people, turbo controls themselves are 100% legal, BUT using them to play while you are not at your computer is not, and thats easy to check for