Why people still USE ACT knowing their breaking TOS ??

[Drakeos]

Your point wasn't proven. That isn't harassment. If you're literally under performing by a large margin, so much so that you parse grey, other people have to work harder to cover up for that. DPS checks are a thing you know. Yes, you do deserve a kick from the team in a team based game where the team have to all equally contribute to complete the objective.

Why does he get to slack off and parse grey, clear the fight, roll on loot whilst other people have to learn their class and bust their ass off to cover for his terrible dps? Man, I wish I could be lazy and get carried through the game and get cool stuff at the expense of others.

If everyone parsed grey, you'd wipe to dps checks. I'd kick him too.

This acually form of a harassment for someone who's new to savage scene cause she/he could be learning raid/savage ???

[Billythepancake]

Thanks for proving my point.

Nah, the parser told me that the person wasn't pulling their weight. Why should I keep a SAM that gets outdpsed by the tanks? They're literally useless to the group. Even if we cleared with them, they didn't do anything to contribute to that. I argue it's more unhealthy that, because of how SE treats the rules of parsing, I can't tell the SAM they need to shape up, because me doing so is admitting to having a parser, and because I said something that wasn't full of sunshine and rainbows, I'm banned for it. A lot safer to just kick the person, and if called out for it reply with "lmao, difference of playstlye bruh." That's 100x more toxic, because I'm not allowed to tell them the problem.

[SomeRandomHuman]

ACT has always been a delicate grey area.

Imo its a nice tool to see how you're performing and how you can improve. However, due to it getting in the hands of the wrong circles of players its been stained by their misuse of it and harassment of players who don't aim to do things perfectly at all times no matter the circumstances, and in despicable cases I've seen personally, players who are disabled in a way that can affect the game. Did a dungeon with a player that unfortunately lost their left hand in some sort of accident. Dungeon run a a little slower due to it but no wipes or even deaths really. Tank wasn't happy about it taking a whole 3:56 longer. To this day I hope that player didn't take it personally and continues to enjoy the game.

It's one thing to play casually and do your part, it's another to not know what you're doing, and you don't need ACT to know when someone isn't even trying.

[Billythepancake]

Did you read all my posts, or did you just took this out of context?

I've had multiple healers in multiple jobs come in and do 0 heal, only dps. Even the PLD did more heal than them.

Then they're a bad healer, lmao. And the only way you'd know they did 0 healing is because a parser told you that. Sounds like it was extremely useful to me there.

[Venoshock-]

This acually form of a harassment for someone who's new to savage scene cause she/he could be learning raid/savage ???

what, joining an FARM party and trying to LEARN?? no, you shouldn't be joining farm parties to learn the fight, you're wasting other peoples time. This is NOT harassment. Even if he did know the fight, it's still not harassment to kick an under performer. Harassment i against the ToS, right? feel free to report to the GMs and watch in awe as they do absolutely nothing.

[Videra]

Thanks for proving my point.

I didn't prove jackshit. I pointed out - farm party - and not a learning party. A grey-parsing Samurai is utterly useless in the context of a farm party and should not be there. Many others are showing just as well that you are intentionally trying to work around the context. That's just intellectually dishonest.

[Videra]

I think you misunderstand. It's the leaders fault for inviting the person to the group before checking their logs. Second, it's also reasonable to figure out if the person simply didn't know something key about their job because it's likely they never even knew they were gray parsing. Third, if they had no logs prior to being invited and they had a gray parse, that isn't enough evidence to boot the person from the group. ACT is not a DPS meter and was never intended to fill that role. It was meant to be an analysis tool that lets groups improve more effectively, and using it as a way to single out and judge others pre-maturing because some leader is having a personal struggle with clearing a savage fight is not going to make the content any easier to clear.

As I said earlier, everyone is struggling and everyone needs something to lean on. If you want to overcome challenges be patient with people and yourself. The only thing within the power of a group leader is to express your own expectations to others and be honest with the people you bring aboard. The greatest challenge isn't clearing savage, really: It's helping others overcome their own limitations, which was what ACT was supposed to be for. It's not the headsman's Axe.

You don't invite anyone to your group in PF, you don't get to filter that. The majority of farm parties outside of statics are done via PF, so FFlogs is the only means by which you can weed out a mediocre player that might cause you to hit enrage. What did I misunderstand, exactly? I'm not talking about people who haven't cleared savage or extreme fights. I never was. I have been talking about content that's on-farm since a few posts back.

[Liam_Harper]

If everyone parsed grey, you'd wipe to dps checks. I'd kick him too.

While I don't disagree at all with kicking someone significantly under-performing in a farm group, it's worth noting that you actually can beat all EX trials and at least E5S to E7S with a full grey group at 20th percentile. Especially since there are a lot of 500ilv raiders logging now, which isn't the fairest comparison for a 485. Currently, a full green group will smash E5-7S well within time. For Savage, once you go below 10th percentile you start seeing sharp plummeting figures. Anyone below 10 who didn't die multiple times is playing incorrectly.

[Gula]

Once again, an entire thread as solid proof as to why we don't need parses.

[puts up REEEE shield]

[ForteNightshade]

Once again, an entire thread as solid proof as to why we don't need parses.

[puts up REEEE shield]

Please explain how it is toxic that players don't want to carry those who aren't putting in a solid effort? No one goes into PF expecting oranges. They do hope people can pull their own weight. A Samurai barely above 10k is not doing that.

This acually form of a harassment for someone who's new to savage scene cause she/he could be learning raid/savage ???

Then join a learning party. A farm is for those who already know the fight and simply want to collect tokens, pages or mounts. Regardless, you being new does not entitle you to a clear. The PF leader can put up any restrictions they want. If I put up a PF demanding all catgirls and you join as an Au Ra. I can kick you. Why? It's my party. It isn't harassment to remove someone from your party. Just as it wouldn't be harassment if you refused to talk to someone in real life simply because you didn't feel like it.