Why people still USE ACT knowing their breaking TOS ??

[Videra]

And wipe to an enrage at 30% as a result.

Personally i use ACT to see how i perform and how it could be improved. Nothing more, nothing less.
As a side effect it made aware of all these underperforming players, like 5k samurais in ShB, but eh.

Don't you pass that literally by auto-attacking?

[Flay_wind]

Don't you pass that literally by auto-attacking?

The fight in question where i saw that player is somewhat movement heavy (Memoria Misera), but still i have no idea how they managed that with only a few deaths.

[Rilifane]

Tbh, I don't like the fact that some healers would wait for a long time to heal while dps. I understand about regens, and it's fine to wait and be healed by one, but as a dps I've died many times while doing mechanics correctly because healers prioritize dps over heals. It's frustrating, but as a dps there is nothing I can do but wait and die at the next mechanic because not even a pot or second wind could save me.

Being calm about low HP bars and healers not healing right away can be learned and works miles towards improving the own gameplay. Acknowledging damage patterns and knowing the times when people need to be topped at the latest to survive the next unavoidable is part of a healer's job and once you know them someone sitting at 20% will not faze you in the slightest.
Not only does it help to play far more efficiently it also helps being calmer when things go wrong and truly understand how strong some oGCDs are.

You get the occasional bad healer who completely tunnels on dps but healing late is not inherently bad. On the contrary, it allows healers to use their whole toolkit much more efficiently. I know these healers exist, I met them aswell but you have to keep in mind that in practice parties everyone is also trying to find ways to optimize the the fight for themselves. Melees greed by jumping out of aoes super fucking late and back at the boss right away and sometimes they die from it. Lesson learned, timing adjusted. Casters greed by trying to squeeze out that one cast until they have to move and sometimes they die from it. Time to move their butt sooner or shift some GCDs around next time. And it's not a bad thing. Practice parties are not there to turtle your way to enrage, learning whow greedy you can be is also an important part.
Healers have to be allowed to do the same. They need to be given room for experimenting and sometimes miscalculating aswell.
They don't "refuse to heal", they're trying to find a way that works best to heal without sacrificing too much dps.

Escpecially during the earlier stages of a fight where not much is happening it's good to squeeze out as much dps as possible to have more room for error later into the fight. Over the course of 10min+, mistakes pile up. People losing track of mechanics and dying, rotational mistakes, letting a raidbuff drift etc.
So it's escpecially common to see healers heal quite late during the first couple of minutes of a fight because that's when there's not much going on and mistakes are less likely so they can get away with healing late or using Swift for dps/ weaving.
Or Star placement. I'm notoriously bad at aiming my star correctly when in a rush to avoid clipping...

[Rasikko]

Don't you pass that literally by auto-attacking?

Free style SAMs can pull off some amazing feats.

And wipe to an enrage at 30% as a result.

Personally i use ACT to see how i perform and how it could be improved. Nothing more, nothing less.
As a side effect it made aware of all these underperforming players, like 5k samurais in ShB, but eh.

The last person that openly admitted that here was banned for 10 days and I actually feel this thread has the secondary purpose of tricking people into admitting it.

[Flay_wind]

The last person that openly admitted that here was banned for 10 days and I actually feel this thread has the secondary purpose of tricking people into admitting it.

Tbh, i find the idea of banning someone over something they said without any concrete evidence to be rather silly.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Tbh, i find the idea of banning someone over something they said without any concrete evidence to be rather silly.

Guilty until proven innocent is the approach things like this get taken sadly.

[SamRF]

Free style SAMs can pull off some amazing feats.


The last person that openly admitted that here was banned for 10 days and I actually feel this thread has the secondary purpose of tricking people into admitting it.

My post got deleted, but I didn't get banned it seems.

Edit: I got a mail with a warning stating that I can get banned on forums, or even have my FFXIV account perma banned if I violate guidelines again. Does this mean you may even lose access to the game (not just forums) by posting something against ToS?

Relevant quote from email:

Further violations made on the forum against the Square Enix Account Terms of Use, the FINAL FANTASY XIV User Agreement, or the FINAL FANTASY XIV Forum Guidelines, may result in forum access rights being revoked, and the temporary, or permanent, suspension of access to your FINAL FANTASY XIV service account. This would mean losing access to both the forum and to FINAL FANTASY XIV itself, so please take sufficient care before posting.

Statement about relevant guideline sections I've violated:

Relevant sections from the FINAL FANTASY XIV Guidelines:
• Doing anything that is prohibited in the the Square Enix Account Terms of Use.
• Taking any other actions that are deemed inappropriate by Square Enix in our sole discretion.

So yeah, make sure you don't make posts admitting that you are using ACT cause you might indeed actually get banned if someone reports it.

I had however sort of provoked the mods to ban me so maybe that was the determining factor (+the fact I reported my own post), hence that second (vague) section from guidelines I've seemingly violated.

[xxvaynxx]

Yoshi-P said in a live letter that he's basically fine with it.
It's a grey area but he's ultimately fine with it if you use it just for yourself. He said act doesn't hack the game, all it does it take the damage numbers and calculates it. He was giving an example that someone with a calculator could do the same thing (nobody would ever do that ofc).
He was always comparing it to like using discord which is also a 3rd party app that people be using to talk and should he start banning people that use too? So he said its a grey area.
Overall, all the ACT haters should stop trying to fight it. The ONLY way for you to get banned if you're being jerk and calling out people's dps.

The ONLY thing Yoshi-P takes issue with it is the other things ACT can do, which is someone lots of raiders know about and its the things that actually give an advantage over other players. Such at the thing that lets you see AoE's that you shouldnt be able to or the one that lets you change the waymarkers.

[Mhaeric]

I had however sort of provoked the mods to ban me so maybe that was the determining factor (+the fact I reported my own post), hence that second (vague) section from guidelines I've seemingly violated.

I'm pretty sure this is the only way it would have been deleted anyway. There's lots of reportable posts that go by every day without being deleted, so aside from the most egregious cases or hot button topics I suspect the mods don't proactively delete anything unless it's brought to their attention via a report.

[Barraind]

Why

Because the game has 0 built-in ways to check your performance.

How was I doing? Who knows! Clown fiesta time! Woooo!

Parsing has been something we've done in every MMO with a combat log. We had to make websites to parse them for EQ raids back in the day, and then game developers realized "If we're going to put timers on encounter length and limit participation, we should let players have some sense of how they're doing, and who is incapable of contributing the requisite amount".

That 14 pushes willful ignorance doesnt mean anyone who takes it any sort of seriously isnt going to use tools to improve themselves and improve their raid teams.

He was giving an example that someone with a calculator could do the same thing (nobody would ever do that ofc).

I had, at one point, something like 3000 log files for EQ in a folder for a ~6 month period of content, because we would stop a log, file it by date and encounter, start a new log per boss attempt, stop it after, run it through... logsplit? something like that we used to grep log files, it doesnt matter exactly, and use those to calculate everything, then repeat.

It suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked, but there was no other way to do it (once content was on farm status, we just batched stuff together and did it at the end of the night).

So a few people built websites you could upload log files to that did it for you. And then we FINALLY got ways to track it in game.


Never underestimate what people will do to figure out just wtf is happening.