Can we please get aggro management back?

[NanaWiloh]

If you're old enough to have played FFXI, then you'll agree with me here...

The issue was never that "stance dancing" was fun or interesting. The issue is that this game makes it impossible for DPS to rip hate away from tanks as long as the tanks are using baseline tanking abilities.

In FFXI, yes, good tanks mattered -- but agro management was often less about the tank and more about the DPS riding the line between "elite" and "stupid." That was the balance, and that's what made it fun! A good tank allowed more DPS, but really agro management came down to DPS being smart and not just mashing buttons.

This game simply doesn't have that and I've lost faith that it ever will.

Thats the issue people have with the old system though. Its the job of the tank to hold and maintain threat, the old system just passed the job off to someone else. The current system problem is that it gives too much Enmity it needs to be reduced to a point that tank have to intergrate Enmity abilities in to their dps rotations. Rather then one and done with threat abilites like the old days and now, you would have to work to maintain enmity throughout a fight. While still mitigating damage and dps'ing.

[Melichoir]

Thats the issue people have with the old system though. Its the job of the tank to hold and maintain threat, the old system just passed the job off to someone else. The current system problem is that it gives too much Enmity it needs to be reduced to a point that tank have to intergrate Enmity abilities in to their dps rotations. Rather then one and done with threat abilites like the old days and now, you would have to work to maintain enmity throughout a fight. While still mitigating damage and dps'ing.

Exactly. There should be nothing wrong with tanks having two damage combos - one that produces threat and one that produces raw damage. What mightve been a solution is to REMOVE tank stance all together and Jack up threat generation on things like Rage, Butchers, and HardSlash to the point that if you did nothing but those combos, you wouldnt lose threat, ever, and the balance then becomes how often you can use the Damage combo before you have to use that threat combo to stay top dog. Push comes to shove, you can have dps have 1 threat mitigator on a 3 minute CD so that incase you need to reset it, you can, but you shouldnt be incorporating it into your kit as a must do X. If not, just take it out entirely and have threat be a tank issue and work the numbers around that.

There are a lot of ideas I think that would work for threat management but they didnt do that. They went to press x to tank, and it works. It's just a bunk system.

[NanaWiloh]

Exactly. There should be nothing wrong with tanks having two damage combos - one that produces threat and one that produces raw damage. What mightve been a solution is to REMOVE tank stance all together and Jack up threat generation on things like Rage, Butchers, and HardSlash to the point that if you did nothing but those combos, you wouldnt lose threat, ever, and the balance then becomes how often you can use the Damage combo before you have to use that threat combo to stay top dog. Push comes to shove, you can have dps have 1 threat mitigator on a 3 minute CD so that incase you need to reset it, you can, but you shouldnt be incorporating it into your kit as a must do X. If not, just take it out entirely and have threat be a tank issue and work the numbers around that.

There are a lot of ideas I think that would work for threat management but they didnt do that. They went to press x to tank, and it works. It's just a bunk system.

They really could just remove Tank stances as they are just enmity boosters now. Put threat combo's back but balanced around actually being used more then once during a fight, encourage tanks to tab target and watch their enmity meters. I just started focusing on my dark knight and noticed I only had one button dedicated to enmity gen, I knew enmity was instant but one enmity gen button is just insult to injury.