Can we please get aggro management back?

[Melichoir]

Considering it takes all of 1 milisecond for someone to realize a 10x enmity multiplier on a tank stance would completely annihilate any output a dps can do gives a pretty big insight into what they desired in this system, and how its most likely a huge success for them. If it was at like 4x I'd be more inclined to think on your lines, but the 10x multiplier was extremely intentional. In their eyes, they extremely got it right, as the system is acting perfectly as intended, regardless of how each individual player views it.

Also, the identity thing is honestly an opinion. When I look at WAR, I still think 'berserker with immensely powerful skills', even in 5.0. I still see PLD as the holy shield knight that protects the weak, which several of its mitigation abilities (Intervention, Cover, Clemency) attribute well to its identity. When I play DRK, I know I'm playing a DRK thematically, just as I know when I'm playing a WAR. Job identity goes far beyond than just a few key skills being homogenized; the aesthetics of their skills, their AF, and their flavor CDs are all extremely unique to give each a powerful identity.

You dont have a unique identity when you have other classes copy you. Beyond that, my point was that just cause the implement something that 'works' doesnt mean its great for hte game. Pagos worked when they put it into the game...it was widely hated. Diadem worked andd....was widely disliked. If they gave a boss the ability to reduce your HP to 1, then immediately follow up with an instant raid buster that bypasses shields it would be working as intended... and people wouldnt probably be all to happy.

It working as intended doesnt say anything beyond the devs "Designed something to do a specific thing, and it's doing that specific thing". Im not saying it's not working as they designed, Im saying its a poor design choice. Yeah, 10x threat modifier works great at tank keeping threat, except in that same breath there is no longer any thinking required to Tanking. It literally is "Press x to tank". That isnt a system. That isnt an improvement. Devs literally gutted an aspect of tanking, one of the few we have as a role identity, to pretty much be "LoL, Whats dps threat". Having the tank managing threat and balancing that against DPS threat output was part of the role. You may like the fact that you press x to tank, but I certainly dont. I understand Im a minority but frankly it's not cause the system was cancer - it was casual player base couldnt be bothered to learn how to tank. Call it elitist, but raiders knew how, and midcore could do it. The people who struggled with it predominately was the casual base. And you know what is bothersome? It sets the precedent that if something is just to hard for the casual base - nerf it. And you know what I typically see the casual base struggle with right now? Managing mitigation CDs.

WAR was dominant for many primary reasons beyond that:
-Unchained giving WAR the highest aggro gen bar none with the smallest damage loss, to the point it was a raid dps gain to bring a WAR over PLD/DRK combo due to the dps the other two would lose from having to secure aggro, ESPECIALLY PLD.
-(HW only): Storm's Path had a 10% all damage down debuff on it, which meant that not bringing a WAR to raid automatically meant your whole party took 10% more damage from EVERYTHING in the encounter. When there were extremely powerful raid busters floating around (J-kick, J-storm, Mortal Revolution, whatever the heck Allthink's electric raid buster was, Cascade, Whirlwind(?), Mega Holy, etc.) on top of giving a free 10% mitigation to your co-tank whenever they had aggro meant WAR was almost mandatory for low week prog, and gave healers extra offensive GCDs from less damage having to be healed across the entirety of the fight. WAR was increasing a lot of people's dps inadvertedly while also being the highest damage tank.
-WAR was the only tank to give slash resist, meaning you increased NIN dps due to them putting up slashing is a dps loss. And if you had some weird comp like PLD/DRK/no-nin or no-SAM? yeah, your whole raid suffered.
-(HW only): Equilibrium giving TP recovery every minute making WAR impossible to bottom out, where a PLD was basically out of luck after 2 minutes without BRD/MCH/NIN intervention and DRK would eventually lose the war of TP attrition even with blood weapon.

WAR was a case where it's one minor weakness (The fact defiance doesn't give you the effective 20% mitigation immediately due to needing to be healed first, where Grit/Shield Oath did) was effectively eliminated or a non-issue at all, leaving a job with no weaknesses competing against two jobs with much larger weaknesses. Which is reflected well in its active play statistics, but also in how Square homogenized certain abilities so that one tank wasn't completely annihilating the others due to some trick/synergy within its toolkit vs fight design.

That's fine, but all of those are more specific to HW than SB, particularly with the introduction of Shirk and Ultimatum in the latter. The PLD issue was mainly on the pull - so in Omega youd have the DRK or War Pull, but you could still bring a PLD and be fine. Was the system perfect? No. Definite room for improvement, but that doesnt mean "Oh system isnt perfect, TEAR IT ALL DOWN!!!!!!!" is a good solution.

It was a number's issue, and the devs gutted design to fix that issue. And likely they see it as a success cause "Well more people tank!" all because they threw up their hands and said "F it, balance and math is hard. Just make threat irrelevant!" Cant wait till 6.0 when they gut how mitigation works cause that's also to hard to manage.