General Community Resistant to Healer Damage?

[Krotoan]

Are you watching youtube on the second screen when running a duty? Because thats virtually the only thing that comes to my mind when i see a healer wanting to heal only in this game.
Without dpsing you are standing idle for half of the time or overhealing 200%, why?

I've avoided healing for 9 years. Literally until this year I had not touched a healing class and so i never felt comfortable contributing to healing discussions beyond the expectations from a tank/DPS position. ..

I don't know where you guys are getting all this standing around time. People just EAT stuff all day. I can top people off and shield them all day and still BLAMBLAMBLAM from full to dead. Like every roulette.

I'm guessing this is different in hardcore raider/instance running.. but.. yeah. Your average instance in this game has plenty of healing to do. Maybe not standing around NEVER pushing your dot or your damage.. but.. still. LOTS.

[Billythepancake]

I've avoided healing for 9 years. Literally until this year I had not touched a healing class and so i never felt comfortable contributing to healing discussions beyond the expectations from a tank/DPS position. ..

I don't know where you guys are getting all this standing around time. People just EAT stuff all day. I can top people off and shield them all day and still BLAMBLAMBLAM from full to dead. Like every roulette.

I'm guessing this is different in hardcore raider/instance running.. but.. yeah. Your average instance in this game has plenty of healing to do. Maybe not standing around NEVER pushing your dot or your damage.. but.. still. LOTS.

I've been with window licker tanks and have had plenty of time to DPS still. It's just knowing what your skills are and not freaking out because the tank isn't at full.

[Videra]

Last time this topic came up I took a 45 minute browse through FFlogs. The logs for healers in savaged showed they had one thing in common, 50%-70% of their total button presses in a fight were dps spells. In a few rare cases I saw they got up to 80%.. I am not against healers dpsing during a fight but this needs to be fixed. Healing spells should be getting used far more then DPS spells, especially if we are going to have limited dps spells...like come on put us to work.

Never going to happen. SE isn't brave enough and with the 'pure healers' around, would you want to trust their cure 1 spamming ways to try to keep you alive in a game with much more intense damage intake?

[Vulcann]

Ok, what else are we supposed to do the other 70% of the time we're not actively healing?

if you are not healing 70% of the time then you are getting carried by good players ... players that are doing what they are supposed to be doing.

that would be like DPS complaining that mobs are dying too fast.

[NanaWiloh]

Never going to happen. SE isn't brave enough and with the 'pure healers' around, would you want to trust their cure 1 spamming ways to try to keep you alive in a game with much more intense damage intake?

Lol I run roulette I don't trust anyone unless they are a friend, fc member or someone I have ran with before.

[Vulcann]

I've avoided healing for 9 years. Literally until this year I had not touched a healing class and so i never felt comfortable contributing to healing discussions beyond the expectations from a tank/DPS position. ..

I don't know where you guys are getting all this standing around time. People just EAT stuff all day. I can top people off and shield them all day and still BLAMBLAMBLAM from full to dead. Like every roulette.

I'm guessing this is different in hardcore raider/instance running.. but.. yeah. Your average instance in this game has plenty of healing to do. Maybe not standing around NEVER pushing your dot or your damage.. but.. still. LOTS.

yeah exactly i am trying to figure out where this mythical group is that i "never having to heal and can sitting idle" for the majority of the fight is. because whenever I run my healer I feel like i have to always be at the top of my game on healing or else someone is gonna die.

[Billythepancake]

if you are not healing 70% of the time then you are getting carried by good players ... players that are doing what they are supposed to be doing.

that would be like DPS complaining that mobs are dying too fast.

[Krotoan]

I've been with window licker tanks and have had plenty of time to DPS still. It's just knowing what your skills are and not freaking out because the tank isn't at full.

Tanks are almost never my concern though. Most of the time their damage is predictable and consistent. I'm talking about the 2+ DPS who really.. shouldn't take anything but the mapwide AOE but are just eating absolute dirt for whatever reason.

[Allegor]

if you are not healing 70% of the time then you are getting carried by good players ... players that are doing what they are supposed to be doing.

that would be like DPS complaining that mobs are dying too fast.

You are basically implying people should intentionally make mistakes just so we have something else to do.

[Liam_Harper]

Healing is probably the role with the worst under-performance tbh.

Even at endgame you see healers on a boss in Savage with multiple clears logged at 1.5k to 3k dps and their healing isn't much better. The few that do have high hps simply spam healed and sniped it from their co-healer who was playing efficiently and knew the next raidwide was at least 20 sec away and was waiting a bit for a lily, oGcD or letting HoT's to do their work. That makes it look on paper like the pure healer was carrying the heals when in reality they were wasting their co-healers healing. Very often the heal spammer doesn't actually know what to do in panic situations or can snap-react to a tank suddenly 1 hit away from death. A knowledgeable player is usually capable of pressing 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, during downtime while healing, it's the inexperienced ones who can't even manage that, not the "pure healer experts".

Like dps, there's a lot of room for optimization as a healer. Mapping the whole fight out, knowing when the next raid damage will hit, how hard it'll hit, which oGcD can cover it, having a plan if 4 dps eat a mechanic and 2 die, knowing when you do need GcD's, dealing damage with high uptime and minimizing movement to avoid losing casts.
However, a lot of healers don't see that. They think it's basically "press heal when damage happens" and suddenly they're the group savior. Sounds easy, which is why this vision of healer lures in the bad players who secretly just want a rewarding role for little to no effort.

Things like 1.5k dps in endgame is abysmal. If you were a dps doing a quarter of your potential, you'd be kicked by most groups. But healers get away with it quite often, I even see them complaining at the dps when the group fails to meet the damage check, like putting in team effort isn't even part of their role.
Sure it'd be nice if we had more to heal, I'd be all for it, but right now we don't. All we have for contributing to the team outside of that little bit of healing is 2 buttons. Press them, suddenly the run is miles easier. It's not asking much.