General Community Resistant to Healer Damage?

[Imakun]

I really don't mind doing my part in the DPS department as a healer, it's just that they made it excruciatingly boring in the name of homogenization.
I'd complain less if each healer had its flavor back: raw damage on WHM, DoTs on SCH and buffing management on AST.

[Malmstrom]

Maybe I do enjoy having bad healers what for the quick play.

[MoonPhaseAlpha]

The healing role is not defined by attacking foes; it's to keep the group alive.

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[Videra]

The healing role is not defined by attacking foes; it's to keep the group alive.

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Well, actually - in FFXIV? The healer role is defined by its' ability to keep the party alive using as few GCD heals as possible, thereby maximizing their damage output and ending fights quicker. It's almost like doing damage keeps the group alive more because you end fights faster...

:THONK:

Its 'taxed' less harshly because Summoners Raise is identical to Healer Raises, a 1 minute cooldown Swiftcast and then manual 7 - 10 second casts to get someone up.

Compared to Red Mage, who can Swiftcast a Raise every 5 seconds while also dealing damage (Or Healing if the Healers are the ones who went down) between those Raises.

Or to put it another way, a Red Mage can Raise both dead Tanks and a Dead Healer in the same time as it takes a Summoner to place a Raise on the first dead Tank. The Red Mage sacrifices only the Potency lost in a 2.5s, single GCD window.
Summoner, outside of Swiftcast, loses up to 4 GCDs worth of Potency.

If Red Mage had equal DPS to Black Mage while also being able to Raise half the Full Party in 10 seconds, why would you ever bring a Black Mage?
Same goes for Summoner vs Red Mage.

Constant, instant and low opportunity cost Raising is a VERY powerful tool. Not every run is a perfectly coordinated Static run.

While true, I was more pointing out that Vercure has nothing to do with it because every other hardcast you do as a RDM prompts Dualcast. That, and personally, I think balancing a class' DPS around a 'Save idiot' button is stupid. But I've been of the opinion that casters shouldn't have rezzes for awhiiile.

[Moonlite]

Well, actually - in FFXIV? The healer role is defined by its' ability to keep the party alive using as few GCD heals as possible, thereby maximizing their damage output and ending fights quicker. It's almost like doing damage keeps the group alive more because you end fights faster...

:THONK:

And probably a small percentage of players that force randoms in roulette's to this idea is probably why healers get less and less. If you are playing with friends or a group that is created with a goal a certain detail to attention and skill is to be expected. If you random it if they can breathe and press 2 buttons that is a success.



When will this community learn that SE punishes the players that demand more from random groups. If people would keep their mouths shut maybe healers wouldn't be gutted. But you get a healer that isn't dpsing enough and then someone has to make the situation more miserable.



I would like to see more buffs and debuffs. Which would be a different type of dps increase. But we would end up the same situation where players can't keep their mouths shut when random group gets a scrub and SE nerfs it to one button.

[Videra]

And probably a small percentage of players that force randoms in roulette's to this idea is probably why healers get less and less. If you are playing with friends or a group that is created with a goal a certain detail to attention and skill is to be expected. If you random it if they can breathe and press 2 buttons that is a success.



When will this community learn that SE punishes the players that demand more from random groups. If people would keep their mouths shut maybe healers wouldn't be gutted. But you get a healer that isn't dpsing enough and then someone has to make the situation more miserable.



I would like to see more buffs and debuffs. Which would be a different type of dps increase. But we would end up the same situation where players can't keep their mouths shut when random group gets a scrub and SE nerfs it to one button.

I mean, it's fact: there is a right way and a wrong way to play your class in FFXIV. Me asking someone to press glare and stop spamming cure 2 on me at 90% HP is not me asking for much. I'm not going to apologize for expecting more, no matter the form of content. Also, you've got it twisted backwards a little - SE wasn't directly responding to the sane among us who want basic competence. They were directly responding to the people who want the 'Pure Healer' GARBAGE half AFK playstyle to be justified. Look at the sheer amount of times Yoshi has said 'Healer DPS doesn't matter', even if that's clearly a massive lie.


Cursed edit: I fully expect SE to do some monkey's paw stuff and basically roll-back the healer skill ceiling to HW and give us beloved abilities back again next expansion. The caveat? 'This action cannot be used in instances.' Cower before the honestly kind of plausible future of LIMITED HEALER DPS.

[Moonlite]

I mean, it's fact: there is a right way and a wrong way to play your class in FFXIV. Me asking someone to press glare and stop spamming cure 2 on me at 90% HP is not me asking for much. I'm not going to apologize for expecting more, no matter the form of content. Also, you've got it twisted backwards a little - SE wasn't directly responding to the sane among us who want basic competence. They were directly responding to the people who want the 'Pure Healer' GARBAGE half AFK playstyle to be justified. Look at the sheer amount of times Yoshi has said 'Healer DPS doesn't matter', even if that's clearly a massive lie.


Cursed edit: I fully expect SE to do some monkey's paw stuff and basically roll-back the healer skill ceiling to HW and give us beloved abilities back again next expansion. The caveat? 'This action cannot be used in instances.' Cower before the honestly kind of plausible future of LIMITED HEALER DPS.

Duty finder asking for over breathing might be too much some days. You can't even get players to not stand in the giant orange circles. It just feels SE reacts to defend the lowest tier of player and when players ask for people to just not spam cure that hurts their feelings. SE is in the defend peoples feeling business, even if that is wrong. If the players that have hurt feelings are the pure healers along with the scrubs SE is still siding with them.


I would be more then happy with dps skills added to open world. They could add cleric stance back certain skills only available with cleric stance and cleric stance not castable in instances. Would suck if you are trying to two man something though.

[BlitzAceRush]

I mean, it's fact: there is a right way and a wrong way to play your class in FFXIV. Me asking someone to press glare and stop spamming cure 2 on me at 90% HP is not me asking for much. I'm not going to apologize for expecting more, no matter the form of content. Also, you've got it twisted backwards a little - SE wasn't directly responding to the sane among us who want basic competence. They were directly responding to the people who want the 'Pure Healer' GARBAGE half AFK playstyle to be justified. Look at the sheer amount of times Yoshi has said 'Healer DPS doesn't matter', even if that's clearly a massive lie.


Cursed edit: I fully expect SE to do some monkey's paw stuff and basically roll-back the healer skill ceiling to HW and give us beloved abilities back again next expansion. The caveat? 'This action cannot be used in instances.' Cower before the honestly kind of plausible future of LIMITED HEALER DPS.

My friend wanted that for the last two years, so he'd be happy. As for me, if it would finally let me do the role I enjoy without someone screaming "Do more DPS" or "If I'm not bellow 20% Y U Heal me?!" then I could accept having my DPS skills not work in instances.

[Deceptus]

The healing role is not defined by attacking foes; it's to keep the group alive.

Ok, what else are we supposed to do the other 70% of the time we're not actively healing?

[Vulcann]

Ok, what else are we supposed to do the other 70% of the time we're not actively healing?

if you are not healing 70% of the time then you are getting carried by good players ... players that are doing what they are supposed to be doing.

that would be like DPS complaining that mobs are dying too fast.