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Thread: SCH need buffs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volkaj View Post
    Broil III is 280 potency, Ruin II is 200 potency.
    At equal potency you'd be better off saving the proc for when you need to move or weave, so it wouldn't change the gameplay that much. Less slidecasting mainly.
    True enough for when you're running challenging content. But for those cake-walks where you really feel the healer downtime, using it on proc and then filling the space with a free Energy Drain/Aetherflow would make it more engaging.


    So for the Art of War interaction, I've come up with another option:

    Art of War inflicts targets with 'Tactical Target' effect.
    Tactical Target: Lowers damage dealt by 5% and causes target to be struck by any Ruin II spell cast on another target at 75% potency. Duration: 10s. Effect is removed upon use of Ruin II.

    Basically, turns Ruin II into a '200 potency + 75% (or 150) on remaining targets' AoE (Compared to AoW's flat 160 potency) when combo'd off of AoW. With the added perk of being able to hit targets even if they move out of range.
    Plus the bonus effect of a semi-Reprisal for up to 10s if you need to stop DPSing.
    It also mirrors the functionality of Deployment Tactics or Bane in 'spreading' an effect.
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    Last edited by Seraphor; 04-02-2020 at 09:00 PM.

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    Sch needs changes not big ones though.

    The biggest issue with scholar is not their numbers its quality of life. The problem is like it or not NUMBERS wise sch is absolutley the worst at everything. Small or large margin it doesnt matter the numbers speak for themselves. But on top of that sch feels clunky to play Faerie skills cancel eachother out I can literally eat my whispering dawns. Faeries need HUGE quality of life and I think sch will improve with that a lot and also be more fun to play. I should not have to cast my faerie skills that is a stupid change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whichi View Post
    Faeries need HUGE quality of life and I think sch will improve with that a lot and also be more fun to play. I should not have to cast my faerie skills that is a stupid change.
    100%

    I want my dot rotations back too; I hate the dps options they've forced onto us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamFyi View Post
    Not really. There’s just significantly more Whm and Sch logs in comparison. Almost double compared to Ast if I recall correctly.
    A little late to this but erm I'm not sure how the number of logs is relevant to a discussion on the rdps output of AST being higher than that of the other healers. Unless you're suggesting 16k parses doesn't also provide numbers for lower tiered players, but that would be a pretty wild assumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EaMett View Post
    A little late to this but erm I'm not sure how the number of logs is relevant to a discussion on the rdps output of AST being higher than that of the other healers. Unless you're suggesting 16k parses doesn't also provide numbers for lower tiered players, but that would be a pretty wild assumption.
    I think it's because you said it was "alarming".
    But despite granting more rDPS, the class is not played that much in comparison (probably because of its gameplay).
    It would have been alarming if it both granted huge rDPS and was over represented in the raid scene because of that. But rDPS alone isn't a factor that make it be played more, because players are still seeking for fun/not clucking mechanic.
    A lot of player still don't like the current card system or the little/timed heal on AST toolkit and prefer a more straightforward gameplay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truen View Post
    100%

    I want my dot rotations back too; I hate the dps options they've forced onto us.
    I miss this so so much. Its actually how my friends got me to play ff14 initially- I wanted to heal, but also feel useful/contribute to dps.
    Scholar gave me both dps and healing- it was great! As long as I was smart and managed my resources well, ofc... -sigghh ... I miss that ._.
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    I miss miasma 2 and Shadowflare. Art of War is the worst of both worlds. Gravity can be casted a far, and Holy stuns and pairs up nicely with Assize. In the AOE department anyways in healing the fairies themselves need a buff. All their meddling trying to be simplistic has made them clunky and lackluster. Give it some power back ffs supposed to be a more brainy offensive healer and they tried to gut it. I maybe out of like thought I’m no healer expert or raider
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    I think it's because you said it was "alarming".
    But despite granting more rDPS, the class is not played that much in comparison (probably because of its gameplay).
    It would have been alarming if it both granted huge rDPS and was over represented in the raid scene because of that. But rDPS alone isn't a factor that make it be played more, because players are still seeking for fun/not clucking mechanic.
    A lot of player still don't like the current card system or the little/timed heal on AST toolkit and prefer a more straightforward gameplay.
    Ah I see! Yeah that does makes sense. My alarming statement was more to do with the balance of classes, but I get what he was getting at now. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    I miss miasma 2 and Shadowflare. Art of War is the worst of both worlds. Gravity can be casted a far, and Holy stuns and pairs up nicely with Assize. In the AOE department anyways in healing the fairies themselves need a buff. All their meddling trying to be simplistic has made them clunky and lackluster. Give it some power back ffs supposed to be a more brainy offensive healer and they tried to gut it. I maybe out of like thought I’m no healer expert or raider
    Well said. I'm convinced the individuals in charge of healing jobs look at us like 2nd rate citizens and don't give a hoot what we think/say. When the Japanese community revolts and demands a change to the healing jobs, then maybe we'll see something. Square Enix could care less...mark my words, the "Letter from the Producer" will have NOTHING to offer us in terms of gameplay enhancements.
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    I kinda want separate Aether stacks, offensive and defensive.
    Why do we have to give up on healing to use Energy Drain?
    I dunno about AST because I am still just at 72 with it and haven't played it since forever but with WHM I don't feel like I have to sacrifice healing to dps, if anything it's the opposite because of the Lily system.

    3 Offensive and 3 Defensive Aether stacks would solve that.
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