SCH need buffs

[Kolsykol]

Energy Drain was re-added after ShB's released due to complaints that people had nothing to spend Aether stacks on when no healing was required.
This would be the same situation. When no healing is required those 'defensive stacks' would sit there as a wasted resource.
In addition those 'offensive stacks' would be wasted when capped, forcing you to spend them on dps skills when maxed out, which may conflict with the amount of healing required.

My problem is just that I have to sacrifice healing for the sake of damage which I don't on WHM and WHM is already stronger on top of that. Quite the opposite healing = more damage on WHM.
I don't think that it's an interesting decision, especially when the healing and damage isn't even that impressive to begin with.
I also don't really see the problem with '' wasted resources '', if anything it'd just incentivize you to use your healing Aether spenders more often instead of sitting on them.

Maybe in dungeons in smaller pulls it'd be a problem but I don't think so in endgame content.
I mean in dungeons I have to throw out Lily's as to not cap out just for the sake of doing something too.

If anything I sorta feel more like it's wasted now when they're tied because it feels like I am just all like '' nothing to do and I've got Aether, okay I gotta spend them somehow ''.
But if they were separate they'd just be more like a DPS cooldown tied to the healing Aether.

[Billythepancake]

My problem is just that I have to sacrifice healing for the sake of damage which I don't on WHM and WHM is already stronger on top of that. Quite the opposite healing = more damage on WHM.
I don't think that it's an interesting decision, especially when the healing and damage isn't even that impressive to begin with.
I also don't really see the problem with '' wasted resources '', if anything it'd just incentivize you to use your Aether spenders more often instead of sitting on them.

You absolutely do sacrifice damage for healing on WHM. Misery = 900 potency over 4 GCDs 4 glares = 1200 potency over 4GCDs.

[Kolsykol]

You absolutely do sacrifice damage for healing on WHM. Misery = 900 potency over 4 GCDs 4 glares = 1200 potency over 4GCDs.

I mean healing is part of your job, and your Lily spenders are strong heals.
Are you just assuming that there is no healing going on at all?

The difference is that you're healing AND building up to Misery ( not to mention Assize which is both at the same time and doesn't cost you anything AND can be weaved in because it's an OGCD ).
But with SCH you have to sacrifice healing power for pretty puny damage.
I find that with the Lily's it just naturally builds up to Misery.

I don't really get why people here are so opposed to just getting some more healing power and not having to sacrifice it for some all things considered pretty low damage OGCD's.
Sure if no one is taking any real damage and you don't have to heal then you may not use all of those 3 stacks until Aetherflow is off cooldown but I really don't see the problem with that.
Maybe if Energy Drain was more impressive it'd feel more impactful but it isn't very powerful, if anything to me it sorta just feels like a band-aid.

Sure, you could just spend the extra Aetherflow it on a Lustrate, but SCH players complained that wasn't interesting enough and too similar to WHM's new kit without the feed-in towards dps (Misery)

Or Sacred Soil.
I dunno, to me it honestly sounds like people are hoarding them lol.
If SCH were still the kings of healer dps then maybe I could see the argument that having you sacrifice something would be necessary.
All that you end up doing is throwing them at Energy Drain, is that really all that fun?
Even with my suggestion you could still have Energy Drain use those defensive stacks once the offensive ones are gone, all that it'd do is give you more to do and give you more Gauge too and it'd simply take those offensive ones first.
And at least it'd be a bit more power.

[EaMett]

You absolutely do sacrifice damage for healing on WHM. Misery = 900 potency over 4 GCDs 4 glares = 1200 potency over 4GCDs.

Bouncing off of this comment to throw a bit more info out.

That's a loss of 25% damage (and 8 weaving slots). The cost of 4 ogcds on SCH is about 80 potency per instance so total of 320 loss in the place of 4 broils = 1120 so a loss of ~29% damage (and potentially 4 weaving slots).
So roughly speaking afflatus skills are meant to work like ogcds when it comes to healing opportunity vs cost of healing (cost in dps). The loss of ED is however a direct loss of 150pot. In our scenario it's times 4 so 600 pot. This means you technically lose a potential 920 pot out of 1120(broils). So a loss of 82% dps (to be clear this is between full broil and 4 stacks for healing).

Of course this is in a vacuum. We haven't even looked at double weaves, organic weaving windows from dots, or taken account of movement and non aetherflow healing ogcds for sch. But this is in part why sch comps will generally have the sch use their stacks for healing only when all other options are unavailable or a solid burst is required.

I don't really get why people here are so opposed to just getting some more healing power and not having to sacrifice it for some all things considered pretty low damage OGCD's.
Sure if no one is taking any real damage and you don't have to heal then you may not use all of those 3 stacks until Aetherflow is off cooldown but I really don't see the problem with that.
Maybe if Energy Drain was more impressive it'd feel more impactful but it isn't very powerful, if anything to me it sorta just feels like a band-aid.

ED accounts roughly for about 8% of dps on sch. So we're looking at a little under 1k dps. That's significant enough imo. Nothing would make sch even more boring than not being able to gauge risk reward and figure out how to best use your stacks. Especially considering we already barely ever need our stacks for healing anyways.

[Jadeconl]

I was a sch main and was so until shB. I hate the class now... they've removed the unique traits for eos and Selene. Basically stupefied our ability to do damage with the removal of all the Dots but one. Sch is so boring and underpowered now that I can't even bring my self to play it at all. Shadowflare gone... miasma gone... and all the fun.

[Seraphor]

My problem is just that I have to sacrifice healing for the sake of damage which I don't on WHM and WHM is already stronger on top of that. Quite the opposite healing = more damage on WHM.
I don't think that it's an interesting decision, especially when the healing and damage isn't even that impressive to begin with.
I also don't really see the problem with '' wasted resources '', if anything it'd just incentivize you to use your healing Aether spenders more often instead of sitting on them.

Maybe in dungeons in smaller pulls it'd be a problem but I don't think so in endgame content.
I mean in dungeons I have to throw out Lily's as to not cap out just for the sake of doing it something too.

Sure, you could just spend the extra Aetherflow it on a Lustrate, but SCH players complained that wasn't interesting enough and too similar to WHM's new kit without the feed-in towards dps (Misery)

[Mhaeric]

Sure, you could just spend the extra Aetherflow it on a Lustrate, but SCH players complained that wasn't interesting enough and too similar to WHM's new kit without the feed-in towards dps (Misery)

And most of the time you didn't need the Lustrate, so you were either sitting on Aetherflow stacks, wasting a stack on a healing ability that did nothing or overwriting the stacks with new ones.

[Videra]

Scholar's performance is fine. What we need back is our old gameplay. I miss micromanaging Lily and having an actual DPS rotation.

[Angellos]

I'll throw in my two cents:

For anyone who is struggling with MP on a scholar: You are doing it wrong.
For anyone who is bored with scholar and thinks it has nothing to do and it's boring: You're doing it wrong and obviously not utilizing all of your faeries abilities.

SO many times as a tank main I was AFRAID every single time I had a scholar in my group. I was constantly low on HP having to heal myself (Paladin)
I was having to use CD's when I shouldn't have had to use them just to keep from dying.
I feared for my pixel life on trash pulls (NOT pulling multiple groups at the same time. Just one trash pack.)

There's nothing wrong with scholar other than maybe its cast time needs to be reduced for broil and the damage needs to be increased both on it and the dot. I'd like to see another dot be given back to them or an instant cast damage ability with a short CD to weave inbetween broils and energy drain.

If you're having trouble healing on a scholar or keeping MP: I still stand by my statement, you are SORELY doing it wrong.

[EaMett]

For anyone who is bored with scholar and thinks it has nothing to do and it's boring: You're doing it wrong and obviously not utilizing all of your faeries abilities.

I think you missed the point behind the complaints of sch being boring. Basically, if you use your faerie properly you pretty much have nothing else to do but mash your one dps button (which is the boring part).

Also for the love of what's good on this earth. Don't heal yourself constantly as a paladin, you aren't doing anyone a service, especially not your healer. Just die/wipe and let your healer readjust. If the healer is seriously struggling non-stop then yeah, either heal or pull smaller, but that's usually pretty rare. Besides, if you're low on HP and still have the time to cast a heal on yourself then you probably weren't in great danger in the first place. You can bet that if my tank heals himself for no good reason I'll just let him do it and heal even less.
Not saying you don't have good reason, but too often do I see tanks freak out because they're sitting at 40% HP.