SCH need buffs

[Bobsmiaw]

I'll throw in my two cents:

There's nothing wrong with scholar other than maybe its cast time needs to be reduced for broil and the damage needs to be increased both on it and the dot. I'd like to see another dot be given back to them or an instant cast damage ability with a short CD to weave inbetween broils and energy drain.

We dont need reduced cast time because we have ruin 2 for weaving.
What is the point of ruin 2 if you can weave ogcd in every broil?

If you increase SCH damage it will move the complain to WHM like in SB because people will prefer AST + SCH combo.
Currently, healer is in a good balance compared to WH or SB.
We just need QOL improvement for our fairy.

[Mindiori]

In the end, being mechanically sound/functional or accessible doesn't mean sweet FA if its about as fun as watching paint dry on an ugly wall.

Sure people have their various visions for what something should be; but I simply don't entertain that the current vision can possibly be that for anyone. In most cases I think people who are happy with the so called 'accessibility' now are mixing up the satisfaction of it being 'shallow and easy' with it being distinct and thematic. If something is so stripped down that if you dropped the scholar title and dressed it differently; it could practically be anything at all, you've gone and goofed to an epic level. Why even call it scholar, or assign any real notion of it being the tactical thinking persons job? There's more thinking to be done, in going to the bathroom at this point for goodness sakes.

For someone like me (who plays various titles rather than complain too much 'most' of the time); I think current scholar will be my example for a long time, of dumbing down gone way too far. You can't toss out a playstyle that was ingrained into a community both practically and with lore support - and then say 'hey enjoy your brainless 1 button festival hurr durr'. Fortunately the pain on the Japanese forums is real, so if anyone gets a bone from all this it should be you. Assuming SE have the fortitude to eat humble pie before the healer demographic becomes a ghost town ofcourse.

Never underestimate those who like a challenge or to push a class. Because its actually those who give beginners something to aspire to be. Something all too readily overlooked in the genre - and with Yoshi P saying he wants new players to see vets 'flying around' in rebuilt ARR as inspiration; something he should bare in mind. For it is the healer mindset (persona), that best lends to the types of people he would want flying around in the first place.

[Adventica6]

After reading all 9 pages of complaints I decided to do 1 single expert roulette as healer 481ilvl, as alt as it gets. SCH.

While healing wasn't difficult, it wasn't fun either. I tried to find out what about it was not fun, was it too easy ? too homogenized ? yes, yes it was.

So I decided to start using only Physik to heal that should make things more fun..right? well..Broil, Physik, broil, physik, you get my point.

No matter how much they buff, no matter how much they change things it will still be a boring chore, that's what healing is, a chore.

I tried to like it I really did, and it wasn't that it's not effective...it's that you are playing the game with training wheels, I was standing in aoes just so I had a reason to use my lustrates (and because I'm uninterested in DF mechanics).

I knew it wasn't going to be a great time but I didn't know it was going to be thaaat not great of a time.

[Mindiori]

I knew it wasn't going to be a great time but I didn't know it was going to be thaaat not great of a time.

Now take your long term main player, envision their repeats ad nauseam and you have the rationale behind none of my SCH friends even playing the game anymore. Ain't it fun.

[Videra]

Now take your long term main player, envision their repeats ad nauseam and you have the rationale behind none of my SCH friends even playing the game anymore. Ain't it fun.

It's me but I only play Scholar because I don't trust anyone else to heal and WHM's aesthetic is trash.

[Mindiori]

Well I'm certainly no career healer (more like the slave of a few lol) but even I found SCH fun once. A big stress on the 'once'. Can't even really bring myself to bother anymore. Sure, some will find me melodramatic on that front but what can I say. I'm easily bored by things that are shallow, even if that depth can be considered superfluous sometimes, its still a whole lot better than the thumb twiddling, might as well just watch netflix set up, that we seem to have now.

I could say against myself, that as a non-heals main that I simply happen to clash with the new 'heals only' ideal. But then I look around, see so many who seem to share the idea that eliminating DPS fails to address the fact that full healing isn't even close to realized here yet and shake my head. I have this feeling that either they revert the simplification to an extent, or lose too many subs the next time before they manage to get this new system going. The design just isn't built into the game well enough to warrant heal strain. If it was, we'd just have a whole new gen of accessibility complaints until the only heals on offer was like it is in those 'other' titles. A odd passive heal here and there and using pots. No trinity needed.

[Videra]

To put it into perspective for non-Scholar players, most of us want our old playstyle back. And what this entails is thusly.

1) Faerie management, Eos and Selene used to have different abilities and their own GCD that we had to manage in tandem with our own for maximum effectiveness. Targeted embraces were a thing of beauty, and Whispering Dawn/Fey Illumination were much more responsive at the time because of this. We also used to have neat utility once upon a time in the form of Fey Covenant, which was raid-wide magic mitigation via Eos.

2) Our dots were an integral part of our playstyle and a huge part of what kept Scholar interesting in the ridiculous amount of downtime this game promoted: It was a game of managing multiple timers for various different iterations of dots. I was personally fondest of this in Heavensward when we had everything from Thunder and Aero to Miasma 2 and could spread our dots with Bane. Though I will say points in Stormblood's favour, because using miasma 2 for weaving in Stormblood was probably an unintentional stroke of brilliance on SE's part. I think I speak for everyone when I say that the majority of Scholar players want this back the most.

3) Shields used to scale much higher. This is just a consequence of how big numbers have gotten and kind of overlaps with Astro, but shielding, in general, has become a lot less valuable with each expansion. We also can't spread Critlos anymore, which sucks - and SE knows that it sucks. This was only changed because of shield to get LB cheese on fights like Omega Savage.

If I forgot anything, feel free to tack it on. I just know my major pain points with the class. In all, it's fair to say that Old Scholar was a deep, complex animal - and it was considered one of the best-designed jobs in the game for a reason.

[AbelArchaniEA]

People who cry for buffs usually haven’t dedicated the time to study and actually learn that jobs full capabilities. I’m sure it felt good to rant though. Forum therapy ftw

[Mindiori]

People who cry for buffs usually haven’t dedicated the time to study and actually learn that jobs full capabilities. I’m sure it felt good to rant though. Forum therapy ftw

Has to be amongst the most hilarious drivel I've read lately sheesh. What 'full capabilities' would someone need to learn and study exactly? The job is so gutted its about as difficult as wiping your nose. If you need to dedicate time to the current SCH or most of the other dumbed down classes in any capacity at all, then you are simply cognitively impaired or heavily agenda biased. We are talking about MMO roles in a game for goodness sakes, not composing for the philharmonic. I've had friends who played scholar from the start truly 'rant' (and justly so I believe) and they would be in place to know it inside and out. Not maining something, isn't quite the same as being out in the real world and not having the same academic degree someone else does lol. Sorry but do keep some perspective. Even the better games of this generation are pretty tame compared to the effort involved and muscle memory of the pre-naga generation. I mean I had to effectively touch type with no global cooldown 10 years ago. A far more 'hardcore' experience if we must resort to that, than the laughing stock you call difficult today.

[Videra]

People who cry for buffs usually haven’t dedicated the time to study and actually learn that jobs full capabilities. I’m sure it felt good to rant though. Forum therapy ftw

I can't tell if you're responding to me, so I'll simply ask - did you even read the majority of posts from dedicated scholar players? Because if you did, your reading comprehension needs work.