Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[Melichoir]

With this you assume that anyone who is against cash shop is just against it because they are poor. Thats not true at all. I did buy stuff in the past (when I still believed that this will help the game..then I saw how we got less and less) and I could buy stuff now but I dont. I dont care if you do. The bad ones are still SE who are doing quite fine with creating items that people want to spend money on. Its the sad truth that as soon as a cool mount is shown the first question some ask is: Will this be in the mog station again?

In the end they should already earn quite a bit of money from the potions and old event items. I just dont see any need for them to sell exclusive stuff to us..especially when they already sell ingame items with real merchandise.

The crux of the argument, no matter how you slice it, is that youre already paying money for access to content in this game, and that payment should include EVERYTHING no matter what. This is a pretty poor argument on its face since the agreement for your sub is for particular access to particular content. Youre not being promised something and they not delivering - within reason of course. Second, you seem to imply that SE is (or should be) a virtuous business with selfless practices. It's not. Its like 99% of all businesses. Theyre out there to make money. So please lets dispense with the "SE can do Better and this is just greed!" angle and be real about this. The discussion isnt about what's good or bad or some moralistic view of what SE should be, its about is it a legit business transaction or a scummy fleecing campaign.

Considering the nature of items in question, It isnt fleecing you. It's just a side feature that you can purchase for funsies. It's not EA, or Activision, or Blizzard in these regards, who use crappy Lootbox RNG with cash transactions to create a Gambling proxy, or a company that designs a full game and chunks parts just to sell it to you at day one as "DLC". This is literally "Hey we made a cool side thing in our spare time. Interested in buying it?" This, mind you, is on top of the simple fact they provide us with like 6 or 7 seasonal events per year that have pretty nice goodies. So this is in the end a reasonable business strategy. Im not gonna sit here and get my knickers in a twist over it. Ill be reasonable customer and just think "Hmmm I just bought my steak dinner, so do I feel like getting that new cheesecake desert too they just put out, or pass."

[Krotoan]

This is literally "Hey we made a cool side thing in our spare time. Interested in buying it?" This, mind you, is on top of the simple fact they provide us with like 6 or 7 seasonal events per year that have pretty nice goodies

not to "ACKCHULLY" you but I feel this needs a little correcting.

This is not "spare time", this is an entire team hired and funded by their own work to make extras. This isn't the primary developer team doing extra work on the weekends or downtime, this is a whole other team they created and fund for the purpose of making these extras. It's like hiring a whole new dessert chef who only gets paid if people order the desserts.

[DumdogsWorld]

This is a pretty poor argument on its face since the agreement for your sub is for particular access to particular content. Youre not being promised something and they not delivering - within reason of course.

So, in other words, the answer is to either unsubscribe or deal with it, like everything else in this game.

Good to know.

[monk-dps]

So, in other words, the answer is to either unsubscribe or deal with it, like everything else in this game.

Good to know.

Not to be mean but is he wrong? They are never going to get rid of the cash shop unless you want your sub prices to skyrocket. If not that then actually breaking up the game like EA or Ubi-soft or something? I'd rather keep our system we have now.

[DumdogsWorld]

Not to be mean but is he wrong? They are never going to get rid of the cash shop unless you want your sub prices to skyrocket. If not that then actually breaking up the game like EA or Ubi-soft or something? I'd rather keep our system we have now.

We all have our opinions. I'd rather pay $30+ a month instead of $15 and get complete 100% access to everything. Micro-transactions are a disease.

Anyway, this game is way better than the other MMOs on the market, so I most likely won't be unsubbing any time soon. But if people say that their payment system now is the best way of handling it, then I'll disagree with them any day. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Melichoir]

We all have our opinions. I'd rather pay $30+ a month instead of $15 and get complete 100% access to everything. Micro-transactions are a disease.

Anyway, this game is way better than the other MMOs on the market, so I most likely won't be unsubbing any time soon. But if people say that their payment system now is the best way of handling it, then I'll disagree with them any day. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Personally, rather keep an easy 15 a month sub and let me pick and choose what additional cosmetic shenanigans I want to buy then pay 30+ a month for stuff Ill probably not be interested in. Even if its 15 more a month, thats an extra 180 a year. I spend maybe 60 on optional items per year at most. Micro transactions arent a disease. Theyre a selling tool that can be good or bad, depending how theyre used. What mogstation does? Thats fine. Selling me gambling proxies or DLC thats just the main game chopped off bits, not fine.

[SturmChurro]

Personally, rather keep an easy 15 a month sub and let me pick and choose what additional cosmetic shenanigans I want to buy then pay 30+ a month for stuff Ill probably not be interested in. Even if its 15 more a month, thats an extra 180 a year. I spend maybe 60 on optional items per year at most. Micro transactions arent a disease. Theyre a selling tool that can be good or bad, depending how theyre used. What mogstation does? Thats fine. Selling me gambling proxies or DLC thats just the main game chopped off bits, not fine.

LOL! Can you imagine that? 30 dollar a month sub but you get the occasional cosmetic trash spriggan mount every few months. That's some garbage butt poop.

[Melichoir]

not to "ACKCHULLY" you but I feel this needs a little correcting.

This is not "spare time", this is an entire team hired and funded by their own work to make extras. This isn't the primary developer team doing extra work on the weekends or downtime, this is a whole other team they created and fund for the purpose of making these extras. It's like hiring a whole new dessert chef who only gets paid if people order the desserts.

So what youre saying is theyre contracting out a side content thing, so that has 0 impact on the main game development because it doesnt interfere with their dev cycle. Well, doesnt that just make it even more entitlement then? This is them using part of their revenue from one aspect of the game to generate more revenue. Imagine that, another basic business strategy!

And before cute people chime in with "Wellll they couldve used that money on the main game" everything is cost analysis based. SE execs arent twirling their mustaches thinking "How can we screw the little guy even more!!!!" It boils down to them predicting that for 'x' amount of money, they can only generate either 'y' amount of return investment if they dump into into the subscriber content or 'z' amount of return investment if its a mog station exclusive. If subscriber content always generated more money, that is where we would see the money go. Theyre not gonna make mogstation shenanigans if it gets them less bang for their buck. And if you think about a lot of what is on mogstation, that seems to be the case overall - They get more bang for their buck developing subscriber content than developing other stuff.


Point in the end is still the same. They provide us with a ton of content as is, and this is more side crap at the end of the day that you can buy if you really want it. It has no bearing on the overall game within reasonable terms.

So, in other words, the answer is to either unsubscribe or deal with it, like everything else in this game.

Good to know.

Yeah pretty much. Its your wallet. Dont like a service, stop opening your wallet for it.

[Krotoan]

So what youre saying is theyre contracting out a side content thing, so that has 0 impact on the main game development because it doesnt interfere with their dev cycle. Well, doesnt that just make it even more entitlement then? This is them using part of their revenue from one aspect of the game to generate more revenue. Imagine that, another basic business strategy!

I'm.. not sure why you think I'm arguing with your overall point, I just feel the clarification of what the cash shop team actually is is important before any further arguments around it are made. Yes, they are totally side content. I am one of those people who understands if the cash shop didn't exist those items wouldn't exist. I have bought a few things from the shop myself and am fully aware that it is a luxury on top of luxury offering.

[Awha]

So, in other words, the answer is to either unsubscribe or deal with it, like everything else in this game.

Good to know.

That is the reality of the situation. Microtransactions like them or not are here to stay expecting otherwise is foolish. People may have differing opinions but I do think that any opinion that revolves around removal of the cash shop is pipe dream.