Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[Melichoir]

Fan of EA games?

You want to complain and criticize companies for using loot boxes (which are essentially gambling proxies)? Sure Im down with people on that. You want to complain about companies designing a whole game then breaking off massive chunks to sell to you as DLC day one? Cool, Im on board. You want to complain about a company selling you a cosmetic which has 0 impact on the gameplay, is purely for personal entertainment, and is part of a store which is not even a fraction of the total game content and half those items are from in game events you could have gotten yourself? Nah, not gonna jump on board with that.

There are scummy business practices for sure. There are plenty of things for us as consumers to complain about. This isnt one of them. So dont conflate toxic practices worth legitimate scrutiny with side crap that doesnt mean anything in the end.

Oh and Bezal is right. I can tell you that in the past 7 days, Ive spent 30 some odd dollars on snacks and food. I could easily afford the mount if I wanted it just by skipping morning coffee or a sub sandwich at lunch. Hell, itd be a double benefit - get the mount and better health by cutting out the crap I eat.

[Losara]

Possibly an unpopular opinion but SE should probably add in FFXIV bonds/tokens at some point.

That would be an easy way to make money, and it would actually help out the players who can't afford the sub at the moment with real money but can easily get the in-game money meaning more players can still play.

[SkylineSenpai]

So now seasonal mounts added to the cash-shop with no chance of getting it in game. This is turning into a wallet drain game. We already pay 15+ for sub, pay for additional retainers and expansions. Now we have to buy seasonal event mounts that is more expensive than the sub? WOW SE you are going too far. If you are going to say "You dont have to buy it" Dont bother...the point is after paying all this money to play the game now they are starting to gate seasonal items in the cashshop....Just wow.

everything should be attainable in game if you have a sub!
if the game had a f2p and sub options i would understand having a mogstation but even then i would expect Subbed players to be Able to get everything in game.
shouldn't let this post die.
#SubWhatIsItGoodFor

[BunniEclair]

Maybe if I eat one less pizza my spriggan mount will smile instead of grimacing while carrying me... ‘ v ‘

[Vherkin]

I'm afraid it is a slippery slope and will turn like some other MMO i've saw where 80% of the devlopment time where spent on cash shop item.

[Razard]

I'm afraid it is a slippery slope and will turn like some other MMO i've saw where 80% of the devlopment time where spent on cash shop item.

Seems like the slowest slippery slope in history.

More like a sloppery slope, amirite?

[Krotoan]

I'm afraid it is a slippery slope and will turn like some other MMO i've saw where 80% of the devlopment time where spent on cash shop item.

.. taking a while to slip then. Cash shop opened in 2014.

Slippery slopes are also generally logical fallacies.

[Melichoir]

With this you assume that anyone who is against cash shop is just against it because they are poor. Thats not true at all. I did buy stuff in the past (when I still believed that this will help the game..then I saw how we got less and less) and I could buy stuff now but I dont. I dont care if you do. The bad ones are still SE who are doing quite fine with creating items that people want to spend money on. Its the sad truth that as soon as a cool mount is shown the first question some ask is: Will this be in the mog station again?

In the end they should already earn quite a bit of money from the potions and old event items. I just dont see any need for them to sell exclusive stuff to us..especially when they already sell ingame items with real merchandise.

The crux of the argument, no matter how you slice it, is that youre already paying money for access to content in this game, and that payment should include EVERYTHING no matter what. This is a pretty poor argument on its face since the agreement for your sub is for particular access to particular content. Youre not being promised something and they not delivering - within reason of course. Second, you seem to imply that SE is (or should be) a virtuous business with selfless practices. It's not. Its like 99% of all businesses. Theyre out there to make money. So please lets dispense with the "SE can do Better and this is just greed!" angle and be real about this. The discussion isnt about what's good or bad or some moralistic view of what SE should be, its about is it a legit business transaction or a scummy fleecing campaign.

Considering the nature of items in question, It isnt fleecing you. It's just a side feature that you can purchase for funsies. It's not EA, or Activision, or Blizzard in these regards, who use crappy Lootbox RNG with cash transactions to create a Gambling proxy, or a company that designs a full game and chunks parts just to sell it to you at day one as "DLC". This is literally "Hey we made a cool side thing in our spare time. Interested in buying it?" This, mind you, is on top of the simple fact they provide us with like 6 or 7 seasonal events per year that have pretty nice goodies. So this is in the end a reasonable business strategy. Im not gonna sit here and get my knickers in a twist over it. Ill be reasonable customer and just think "Hmmm I just bought my steak dinner, so do I feel like getting that new cheesecake desert too they just put out, or pass."

[Krotoan]

This is literally "Hey we made a cool side thing in our spare time. Interested in buying it?" This, mind you, is on top of the simple fact they provide us with like 6 or 7 seasonal events per year that have pretty nice goodies

not to "ACKCHULLY" you but I feel this needs a little correcting.

This is not "spare time", this is an entire team hired and funded by their own work to make extras. This isn't the primary developer team doing extra work on the weekends or downtime, this is a whole other team they created and fund for the purpose of making these extras. It's like hiring a whole new dessert chef who only gets paid if people order the desserts.

[DumdogsWorld]

This is a pretty poor argument on its face since the agreement for your sub is for particular access to particular content. Youre not being promised something and they not delivering - within reason of course.

So, in other words, the answer is to either unsubscribe or deal with it, like everything else in this game.

Good to know.