Feedback on Expert Recipes:

[hqdm]

I think it is a bit optimistic, but as I said, it is possible even at a reduced rate of 25k/hr.
25k/hr is 2.9m point with 8hr sleep/day!

I don't see why must jump to conclusion they are cheating in some way rather than look at how you can improve own method.

Also, with regard to mats, I dumped about 3.5m on mats on day 1, at 5-10k/stack, and maybe another 5m topup at 20k/stack on day 2 (except for stupid rock salt) when it was apparent the price wasn't going to remain low. I still have about 37k mats on my retainer, after crafting ~800k point. This only took about 30min total to add things to Favorites and swap across the datacentre, so not a large time sink.

[Ryaz]

For those wondering exact costs and bonuses from finishers, this guide is really helpful:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1135637474

I've gotten to the point where I rarely use Hasty Touch outside of my build up now (if I get a double pliant early is the only time I spam). I focus a lot more on using prudent than I used to, with inno up and ignoring WN2 later on in the rotation. Saves me a huge rng headache. Also remelded to have 2571 control with food, which helps.

[imaginary]

Just because you might not be adept at something doesn't mean others must be cheating.

https://i.imgur.com/XXzGeZ3.png (warning, big image)

And I'm not even completely max melded or using CP syrups. If I get bad luck with procs I'll still finish around 30 steps with a tier 2 craft.

If you're taking 50+ steps, you're either not properly melded or not making full use of your skills.

[Ryaz]

Just because you might not be adept at something doesn't mean others must be cheating.

https://i.imgur.com/XXzGeZ3.png (warning, big image)

And I'm not even completely max melded or using CP syrups. If I get bad luck with procs I'll still finish around 30 steps with a tier 2 craft.

If you're taking 50+ steps, you're either not properly melded or not making full use of your skills.

My melds are fine. I've got 2500 crafts and 2571 control with food. I'm following every single guide I've seen and I'm trying new things. I've gotten most of my crafts down below 40 steps, but still end up having to use a lot of steps while I'm building stacks if things go wrong (especially if I don't get a Centered or Patient Touch fails). Are all your crafts done in 28-30 steps? If so, how? What opener are you using?

Heck, I saw on Discord someone was completing crafts is 17-18 steps, though I have no clue how.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Just because you might not be adept at something doesn't mean others must be cheating.

https://i.imgur.com/XXzGeZ3.png (warning, big image)

And I'm not even completely max melded or using CP syrups. If I get bad luck with procs I'll still finish around 30 steps with a tier 2 craft.

If you're taking 50+ steps, you're either not properly melded or not making full use of your skills.

I had a similar streak of max quality lately too.

I have recently upgraded my chest to reach slightly over 2500 control. It might have a slight positive impact too. But all in all, I think the improvements mostly come from adapting to a better rotation/approach itself.


Most of my attempts are at max quality now... It's safe to say, luck can screw me up sometimes, but very rarely now!

Yes, this crafting is partially RNG-dependent, but skill (and stats too) definitely plays a big, big role. I think that's a proven fact from everyone's input at this point.

[testname]

I would like to see this system implemented to normal crafting, so everything is now wouldn't be changed (still people can macro crafts), but people would see new proc system, and that is it.

[Liam_Harper]

For those wondering exact costs and bonuses from finishers, this guide is really helpful:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1135637474

That's quite handy, cheers.

My most common finisher seems to be at the 301 cp mark. The sooner I can steer away from Hasty Miss the better.

I really like the new crafting, but Hasty Touch and Rapid Synth can burn in a fire xD

[Kakure]

I've gotten most of my crafts down below 40 steps, but still end up having to use a lot of steps while I'm building stacks if things go wrong (especially if I don't get a Centered or Patient Touch fails). Are all your crafts done in 28-30 steps? If so, how? What opener are you using?

The trick is to bail on failing crafts before they can drag on. I use a standard Muscle Memory opener and restart if it goes poorly. I build IQ stacks aggressively (including using Preparatory Touch on Pliant if I can afford to) and gamble on un-Centered Patient Touches if the process takes too long.

If I cannot get progress one step from completion and build 11 stacks in my first 200-300 CP, I either quit (usually after rolling the dice on un-Centered Patient Touches and failing) or finish the craft with tier 1/2 collectibility. In the time it takes to rehabilitate a flagging craft and drag it over the finish line with Hasty Touches and Tricks of the Trade, you can just craft another item for more points.

[Ryaz]

The trick is to bail on failing crafts before they can drag on. I use a standard Muscle Memory opener and restart if it goes poorly. I build IQ stacks aggressively (including using Preparatory Touch on Pliant if I can afford to) and gamble on un-Centered Patient Touches if the process takes too long.

If I cannot get progress one step from completion and build 11 stacks in my first 200-300 CP, I either quit (usually after rolling the dice on un-Centered Patient Touches and failing) or finish the craft with tier 1/2 collectibility. In the time it takes to rehabilitate a flagging craft and drag it over the finish line with Hasty Touches and Tricks of the Trade, you can just craft another item for more points.

Yeah. I will purposely fail if RS manages to fail during MuMe but usually try to save the craft if I get bad peocs later. Mats are cheap for the most part, but earth's are rising quite a bit.

On another note, I realized I had a few hundred Hydrozoan Umbrellas on a retainer so I'm making a bunch of HQ Commanding Craftsman Syrup. Those should put me around 2600 control. And I can sell what I don't need for profit.

[BucklesTrespen]

My melds are fine. I've got 2500 crafts and 2571 control with food. I'm following every single guide I've seen and I'm trying new things. I've gotten most of my crafts down below 40 steps, but still end up having to use a lot of steps while I'm building stacks if things go wrong (especially if I don't get a Centered or Patient Touch fails). Are all your crafts done in 28-30 steps? If so, how? What opener are you using?

Heck, I saw on Discord someone was completing crafts is 17-18 steps, though I have no clue how.

That seems like a stretch, or God-like RNG with plaints and reds... OR, maybe there is a simple super rotation and we can't see the forest for the trees!