Feedback on Expert Recipes:

[GojuSuzi]

The issue is exactly that folk are looking for a "trick" or system, when the entire point is that there *isn't* one. You don't need to fish for procs, just react to whatever procs happen.

If you are waiting for a Pliant to pop and it doesn't come up, then your plan falls apart and you fail because of RNG. However, if you plan on every step being Normal, but are prepared to take advantage of a Pliant if it does proc, then you don't fail whether it pops or not. That's the real trick: plan for all Normals, but have one or two options to maximise usage of any non-Normals to make life easier. That's how I was doing it, and while I didn't rampage through to 500k, I was getting pretty consistent successes (fails normally because I was tired/distracted and accidentally math-failed into a Complete before finishing quality work).

[Cheetos]

I noticed a pattern here. Everytime and anytime RNG is involved in crafting, people go apeshit. Even though you don’t have to do them? Let the people like Caimie have their fun and their rewards.

Edit: I feel like if some of you guys want to be in your safe space, you’d be wise to stay in Master Recipes, not Expert Recipes, something these veteran people have been asking for a long time.

[Jojoya]

What I do not want to see is this becoming the norm for regular crafting.

Your anger at the difficulty of Expert recipes is misplaced. SE stated many times that Expert recipes were being designed specifically for those who like to fully pentameld their crafting gear and have been asking for more challenging recipes to tackle. They have no intent of making them the standard for normal crafting, which includes Master recipes.

Just ignore the Expert recipes. They aren't intended for those who want to casually craft and earn gil from it.

[Dan4077]

Your anger at the difficulty of Expert recipes is misplaced. SE stated many times that Expert recipes were being designed specifically for those who like to fully pentameld their crafting gear and have been asking for more challenging recipes to tackle. They have no intent of making them the standard for normal crafting, which includes Master recipes.

Just ignore the Expert recipes. They aren't intended for those who want to casually craft and earn gil from it.

I am not angry, can you not be one of those people that go around flinging words like anger, crying, whining,salty, just because I put my opinion on the craft on the forums. That is an incompetent thing to do. I also already stated that if this is all it will ever be I am perfectly fine with it. But companies are known for testing the waters by adding certain things into games and seeing the reactions to it. So I just threw my opinion out, I am not "angry" I already did one it took a decent amount of tries but then i formed "my opinion" and put it up. That is all.

[Shadygrove]

I am not angry...

You sound angry. Especially when you go "STUPID." Its also why someone called you salty.

Reading your posts I get the picture of you jumping up and down and stamping your feet.

Try this before you next hit post:

Write your post. Get up, go outside, walk around the block. Or stomp around the block. Perhaps kick a lamp post or three, maybe a mailbox on the way.

Take three long slow deep breaths before you sit down and reread your post.

Edit your post. THEN hit post.

[Dan4077]

You sound angry. Especially when you go "STUPID." Its also why someone called you salty.

Reading your posts I get the picture of you jumping up and down and stamping your feet.

Try this before you next hit post:

Write your post. Get up, go outside, walk around the block. Or stomp around the block. Perhaps kick a lamp post or three, maybe a mailbox on the way.

Take three long slow deep breaths before you sit down and reread your post.

Edit your post. THEN hit post.

That is the dumbest thing I ever heard. How about you try the same thing using your head. Just because you say you think something is stupid, does not make you mad, where did you even get that idea from. If I am just playing something then I come across something I find that I find ridiculous I might just say oh, that's stupid. That does not automatically make you mad. The level of incompetence it takes to type that with a strait face. You and the others with the "mad" comments just cannot come up with an actual retort so you cherry pick one line out of a short paragraph. What exactly was your point to even posting this?

[GarretStrongstaf]

Such a spirited thread!

[Rath]

Some people just want a sure thing, I get that. But, there is no difficulty in copying a rotation. These don't allow for a set rotation no matter how well geared you are. So for those people, I understand the frustration.

They do, however, allow for a variety of methods to succeed. Now Kabooa has listed out one that he uses with repeated success, but I use a totally different method and am confident that I won't fail more then 1/10 synths.I do roughly 30 HT, and have been very comfortable relying on HT since HW������. I think the majority of the theory crafters that come up with base rotations each patch will have no difficulty with these recipes, if they choose to do them. Luckily, there are alternatives for everyone else that doesn't enjoy making choices each craft.

Also, fully penta-melded gear is not required, but I do use nearly maxed cp. Which does require facet mh/of.

[NealSnow]

The fact is yes it's more rng then it is skill. Nobody will care who's at the #1 spot because it's 80% rng 20% skill. You ARE dependent on the new conditions. Wanna probe me wrong? Post a video of you getting the required quality without using the new conditions at all and let's see how it's not rng dependent.

Now it's fine if some people enjoy it being a coin toss but not everyone will. This post had feedback in the title not "praise these changes no criticism" criticism is feedback.

Now I love the new conditions and tbh I'd love them rolled into everyday crafting but make the really good ones rare so you can't reliably depend on them, like sturdy could be rarer then good but not as rare as excellent ect.

Overall I expect the devs will make some kinda adjustments but it'll be remained to see if it happens before the 3rd stage of restoration or not.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

The fact is yes it's more rng then it is skill. Nobody will care who's at the #1 spot because it's 80% rng 20% skill. You ARE dependent on the new conditions. Wanna probe me wrong? Post a video of you getting the required quality without using the new conditions at all and let's see how it's not rng dependent.

Now it's fine if some people enjoy it being a coin toss but not everyone will. This post had feedback in the title not "praise these changes no criticism" criticism is feedback.

Now I love the new conditions and tbh I'd love them rolled into everyday crafting but make the really good ones rare so you can't reliably depend on them, like sturdy could be rarer then good but not as rare as excellent ect.

Overall I expect the devs will make some kinda adjustments but it'll be remained to see if it happens before the 3rd stage of restoration or not.

Of course it's partial RNG-dependent. But 80% RNG 20% skill is absolute BS. The fact that I got this track record has already proven you wrong about the 80%/20% ratio:

3943
4161
4912
botched!
5093
-----> updated gear... from using i430 mainhand, hat, gloves and boots to all i460 left gear and i470 mainhand.
5475
6486
999 (pre-mature completion mistake)
6022
6486 (maxed quality)
6339
5477
5472
6486 (maxed quality)
6322
6486 (maxed quality)
6335
6002
5653
3798 (failed)
6486 (maxed quality)
6018
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
5856
4281 (failed)
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
6310
6486 (maxed quality)
6486 (maxed quality)
6220
6486 (maxed quality)
6102
6361
5635
6392
5657
6486 (maxed quality)
5803
6486 (maxed quality)
6050
6486 (maxed quality)

I am VERY consistently getting it above 5K or 6K. Most of the times, I'm not even close to 4.5K anymore. Thus, this must be either:
(1) 80% RNG 20% skill, but it's a very easy RNG game that automatically goes to your favor most of the times, or
(2) it's NOT that much RNG-dependent, and there is actually a way to really turn things to your advantage most of the times, or
(3) I'm just a freaking LUCKY STARRRR!!!!