Feedback on Expert Recipes:

[Rath]

The trick is to bail on failing crafts before they can drag on. I use a standard Muscle Memory opener and restart if it goes poorly. I build IQ stacks aggressively (including using Preparatory Touch on Pliant if I can afford to) and gamble on un-Centered Patient Touches if the process takes too long.

If I cannot get progress one step from completion and build 11 stacks in my first 200-300 CP, I either quit (usually after rolling the dice on un-Centered Patient Touches and failing) or finish the craft with tier 1/2 collectibility. In the time it takes to rehabilitate a flagging craft and drag it over the finish line with Hasty Touches and Tricks of the Trade, you can just craft another item for more points.

Some new feedback after all these posts. I will not post a rotation. Last one ruined crafting difficulty.

I use a 30 step rotation, yes a rotation. Not macroable, but repeatable and it takes about 2 minutes for 50-max quality.
Quitting point is step 11. But recoverable in last 3 steps if you saved cp from pliants as it is bonus and not required.
Any cp saved during any step improves your average quality.
Goods are used for quality. This is why the big quality range.
635 cp required.

[Miminming]

you guys make me realizehow bad a crafter i am... tool me 70+ step mostof the time... and now i just wanted this ranking stuff to end quickly so badly...

[Ryaz]

you guys make me realizehow bad a crafter i am... tool me 70+ step mostof the time... and now i just wanted this ranking stuff to end quickly so badly...

I've gotten it down to 40 or less steps. I stopped always going for max and decided to settle for tier 2 if procs aren't with me. Yeah, they dont give as many points, but the time saved vs 70+ steps makes up for it.

The key is to wean yourself off HT most of time, but especially after 11 stacks of IQ and substitute Prudent instead. If you get a couple plants in a row early, you can use Manip and WN2 and just pound away at HT then, but the less RNG involved, the better.

[Nandrolone]

Reading some posts on here....I would say about half of these are a few individuals just making outrageous claims and coming up with impossible theoretical scenarios that happen in these crafts. Not going to name any names, but one individual in particular with a high Ishgard ranking really irked me with their nonsense. I have a general “rotation” for these crafts, and I of course will not be sharing it, but if your goal is to confuse posters here with your far fetched dreamland rotations, and waste their time with pointless efforts, then it shows who the bad eggs are. (I say rotation loosely because it’s mostly situational. But these conditions can be heavily used to your advantage if used correctly.)

If you don’t want to share your method, then don’t open your mouth, or you will be called out for spouting false information. You’re making me feel bad for the people you are leading on with nonsense, and just making them believe in some fairytale. People, if something sounds impossible, it probably is. Like I said, not going to name any names, because they know who they are, don’t want to cause any drama. Sorry for the rant, lol. Just got incredibly tired of it. And this is coming from someone who on average gets 5800 - 6000+ points.

[Cosaint]

The secret to finish this craft in less than 50 steps is really simple. Don't use Waste Not, don't rely on Hasty Touch. If possible get some control above 2400, but I started doing a 30-40step rotation with only the minimal requirements for Neo-Ishgardian gear. Starting with Reflect can make you finish in less steps than Muscle Memory, but it's very similar both ways.

It takes 3 Rapid Synthesis to close the craft 0-100 under Veneration. Once you have 6 or more stacks of IQ, start using Innovation, even if you only use it for 2 steps it becomes CP neutral, more than 2 steps is a gain. Use Patient Touch with Centered around 3-6 stacks, preferably at 6 so you go straight to 11. I wrote a small guide for people in my FC, very bare bones but with most of what's necessary I'll link it to you guys if you want.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

For those wondering exact costs and bonuses from finishers, this guide is really helpful:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1135637474

I've gotten to the point where I rarely use Hasty Touch outside of my build up now (if I get a double pliant early is the only time I spam). I focus a lot more on using prudent than I used to, with inno up and ignoring WN2 later on in the rotation. Saves me a huge rng headache. Also remelded to have 2571 control with food, which helps.

This is helpful! Thanks!

[hqdm]

I've tried to introduce macro for the finisher... but I wasted too much time yesterday ;_;
In most case I will not use them, as I spend too much time looking cp/dura to see if I meet threshold for this, for that, and overall lose time vs just hitting skill.
but so many days of crafting, my focus already flown away orz, end up doing dumb things like innovation basic synth, so macro also stops dumb lala syndrome.

I think in most case ending up 30-40 with reflect these last few days, but I also rarely kill my craft unless particularly bad rng.



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maybe after ranking ends I'll try playing with hq gratin. losing cp seems critical, but i've been running SB pot due to greed, so maybe if run cp pot, might mitigate some cp loss, and allow for stronker touches, as I'm 'only' 2537 control atm.

[BucklesTrespen]

The secret to finish this craft in less than 50 steps is really simple. Don't use Waste Not, don't rely on Hasty Touch. If possible get some control above 2400, but I started doing a 30-40step rotation with only the minimal requirements for Neo-Ishgardian gear. Starting with Reflect can make you finish in less steps than Muscle Memory, but it's very similar both ways.

It takes 3 Rapid Synthesis to close the craft 0-100 under Veneration. Once you have 6 or more stacks of IQ, start using Innovation, even if you only use it for 2 steps it becomes CP neutral, more than 2 steps is a gain. Use Patient Touch with Centered around 3-6 stacks, preferably at 6 so you go straight to 11. I wrote a small guide for people in my FC, very bare bones but with most of what's necessary I'll link it to you guys if you want.

Agree. Waste Not II can wind up costing you more than benefiting you. WN I I feel is only usable if you get Two Pliant conditions very early, for instance in the first ten steps, so you can then spam hasty or rapid for zero CP and zero durability.

My go to opener is basically:
(NOTE: I basically ignore sturdy unless specifically called out)

1) Reflect. Then Pliant fish. Yellows go to Patient Touch for IQ building. Red Tricks. All other - Observe. When I get a Pliant, then:
2) Manipulation begins. Red-Tricks. Green WN1. All other - Veneration.
3) Veneration begins. All conditions, Rapid until 2x succeed. Then: Final Appraisal. Red-Tricks. All other: Rapid until Veneration falls off.
4) Post-Veneration: Observe the synth. If red: Tricks. If Green: Manip is 3 or less stacks. Prudent if 3 or more. Yellow: Rapid.

This opener mostly puts me 1 progress away from completion and at an average of 6 IQ somewhere in the ballpark of 11-14 steps.

Then I assess the synth and whether or not to abandon or carry on.

If I carry on then it's just a case of priority.

Green: Manipulation. MM if Manipulation is up and durability is 25 or lower. Prudent last.
Red: Don't always use on Tricks. If you can keep yourself around 35-45 Durability then use Precise. Don't bank all your CP.
Yellow: If at 55/60 CP Hasty, otherwise ignore unless under Manipulation. Losing 10 durability for a free touch is good on paper but too many yellows can throw you to the bottom of the durability barrel and hurt you long term. Better to fish for reds.
Blue: Mostly ignore unless you have an excess of CP: Then Prep if high IQ or Hasty if somehow low IQ.

[Aikaal]

Here's my 10 days experience of this event:

Day 1 : Checking Diadem, it's cute. Definitely an improvement but gathering isn't really me. Also, I was working.
Day 2 : I am working, testing some crafts. Realize expert craft mats are absurdly cheap. Buy in bulk, stock up, I know the prices will rise.
Day 3 : "Break" day, I am helping in a convention, Costume Con 38. 4 hours later, government implements events with more than 250 people are cancelled. I go home, I test more rotations for Expert crafts. I decide to focus on Carpenter.
Day 4 : Full day craft, I fine tune my rotation, roughly 70% of my crafts gets to 6k+ collectibility. Neat.
Day 5 : Chilling at a friend's place. I start coughing, oh no some people at that convention did came from a plane. I got home and do self-isolation.
Day 6 : I am sick, I assume this is just a cold but I can't take any chance. The world is burning, the world is shutting down, people will Glare at me if I go out, I don't go out and craft. I refine my rotation.
Day 7 : I still haven't turned anything. These fools! They think they are first but I am already ahead, my rotation is getting close to perfection.
Day 8 : I fine a few things to fine tune. I'm close to perfection. I have created over 900 Wardrobes.
Day 9 :

I am the wood of my saw
Log is my body and wind is my blood
I have created over a thousand wardrobes
Unknown to Mateus
Nor known to Crystal
Have withstood pain to create many furnitures
Yet, those hands will never hold anything
So I pray, Unlimited Wood Works.

Day 10 : Hero's rest.

I ended up making a million from 1015 Wardrobes turning all of them on day 9. This wasn't about victory, it's about sending a message.



But my personal feedback... I really liked the fact you couldn't macro this so nobody could resort to macro keyboards or bots to cheese and win the title. You had to use your head and being BiS definitely gave an edge. It basically rewards hardwork despite a few moment I would curse a lot because I'd fail 7 Centered in a row because 85% is not 100%.

[BucklesTrespen]

....I will not post a rotation.... I use a 30 step rotation, yes a rotation. Not macroable, but repeatable and it takes about 2 minutes for 50-max quality.

Looking forward to you posting this when the season ends.