It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Krotoan]

Except their ability to to express themselves. Does that not matter at all?

... weird.. I keep saying it and you're not hearing it. They can express themselves until they run out of fantasia money, I just don't want to have to see it. If my option removed the ability for ANYONE ELSE BUT ME to see someone's glams when I toggled it you would have a point. But it wouldn't.. or shouldn't anyway. Somewhere back in the morass of this thread I said this but I'll say it again, there is a huge difference between "you cannot wear this" and "I don't want to see this".

I don't want to see Lala and Hrothgar, i feel both races do not fit the aesthetic of the game. I'm more for subtle variance between the races, the fact that many gear options have only limited viewing area on both these races due to posture, build, ect... supports this.

Not really. The idea that because someone is short or hunched over or small or long or cannot wear a hat so that gear looks DIFFERENT on them is hardly an argument for them not "belonging".

However that is only my opinion. I am not, should not, would not, want to have the game world only cater to my taste. For all my faults, i am not so intolerant of others ability to express themselves.

Accept that you have likes and dislikes and that that's OK. Nobody else has a right to determine your personal tastes, you just don't have a right to tell other people that their likes and dislikes are "wrong", and unless they are being forced upon you , you shouldn't really say anything if you don't like their choices. The video game medium however allows customization WITHOUT affecting anothers experience visibly though, something which has NO parallel in the real world. Knowing and acting upon your likes and dislikes when they affect nobody else isn't intolerance.

Explain it all however you like with that whole "it's only my screen
' bs... The fact is that it's segregation plain and simple, and that, my decisively not friend, is a very dangerous road to walk down. Intolerance for the sake of one's aesthetic preference is often used by many people for many reasons. Having seen what it devolves into first hand, i ask you where would it stop?

Please look up "slippery slope logical fallacy". It's a very tenuous position to argue from. People have attempted the "if you give a mouse a cookie" argument before in this thread and the blunt truth is the Devs will stop it when it gets out of hand. If this particular option is either out of hand or something they do not wish to implement, it won't happen. Simple as that. Again, don't equate intolerance with customizing ones own perception. I tolerate everyone else just fine. Do whatever the heck you want, and over here in MY ROOM I'll do what I want.

Would opinions be next, races? skin color? After all if it's just my screen it's not hurting anyone right?

You can already mute people so there goes that. You PERSONALLY have a racial (ingame) problem.. so .. weird you'd argue that. And no, if you managed to changed everyone on YOUR screen to humans or whatever with one skin tone it wouldn't hurt ANYONE. Your reasons behind it might be a little suspect but the option in and of itself harms nobody.

Should it be ever so important no one and nothing from getting an RP group to run content with. That way, all of you "Purist" can enjoy your perfect utopia, free of that stupid frog outfit and bikini armor of fending.

.. what? Are you saying that people using this option should only be able to group with each other?

It is not acceptable to feel so entitled, that one believes their sensibilities should not be violated by another's lacking of their personal taste. May as well just threaten to build a wall, segregating a whole people to the other side of the continent... You know like Gaius did? FYI... He's a villain.

Once again, taking my want to customize MY experience on MY hardware that affects absolutely nobody else and comparing it to the idea of racial cleansing is absolute tumblrworrywart twaddlespeak. You are one step away from godwins law.

[SoloWingMetatron]

More arguing

More arguing

More arguing

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You're all as bad as each other in fairness. Arguing the morals of whether a collection of polygons in humanoid form can wear a separate collection of polygons in the form of some clothing. Both sides of this are a none issue and frankly very silly. Do you really care that much if a hide glamour toggle was added? to the point where it should be prioritized over other content that needs to be developed? Like seriously, if it gets added so what. If it doesn't get added so what.

#ItAintGunnaHappen #GlamLivesMatter #FreeTheGlam #ClamUpAndGlamUp

[Krotoan]

You're all as bad as each other in fairness. Arguing the morals of whether a collection of polygons in humanoid form can wear a separate collection of polygons in the form of some clothing. Both sides of this are a none issue and frankly very silly. Do you really care that much if a hide glamour toggle was added? to the point where it should be prioritized over other content that needs to be developed? Like seriously, if it gets added so what. If it doesn't get added so what.

Except the only one arguing morals are those against the feature. That's the side that brings that up. And the only amount I care about this is that I'd like to see this feature. I've played for 10 years without it and will likely play 10 more without it. Stop trying to act as if a discussion about a suggestion is unimportant or unwarranted just because either you don't care or there are other problems. You don't like this discussion? Don't read the thread. Don't come in here and try to scold everyone for discussing something.

People are acting like vanity and fashion was never about being seen by others.
That it should only be a personal thing that you do for yourself, and thus, people being able to block it does not affect you.

Please, fashion in social settings has always been about presenting oneself and one´s visual creativity to others.
This was true back when the first cavemen decided to put seashells on their hair and it is true today.

When customization first appeared in MMORPG, they were called Vanity Items for a reason.

So yes, showing off and being unique and different to everyone else around you is part of the experience.
This does not apply only to FFXIV but also is the reason why people put so much effort on their appaerances in real life.

And real life has no bearing on what is possible in a video game. In real life there are no mods, there are no local files, there are no filters or options or sliders. Stop comparing real world issues, morality, and limitations with a video game.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Some more baseless nonsense about polygons

Just bringing light to the fact your side of the argument is no better or valid than other points posted here that differ to yours. Also I can post and comment where and when I like you have no authority here. So don't presume to know what's up. You also arn't discussing at all...all you are doing is trying to refute other points to try and validate your own. Which what everyone here has been doing at this point in the thread. #ComeThruSelfAwareness

The real T is you'd like to see this feature because you'd like to see this feature....that's great. But you also know it has no impact on game play or performance and certainly know it has no impact in reality. So yes it most definitely is unimportant. The fact you'd happily play 10 more years without it shows you deem it unimportant. #GlameLivesMatter #ClamUpAndGlamUp

[Krotoan]

Just bringing light to the fact your side of the argument is no better or valid than other points posted here that differ to yours. Also I can post and comment where and when I like you have no authority here. So don't presume to know what's up. You also arn't discussing at all...all you are doing is trying to refute other points to try and validate your own. Which what everyone here has been doing at this point in the thread. #ComeThruSelfAwareness

Then you haven't been reading the thread. All you've decided to do is to come in here and act like you've got some sort of authority to shut everyone up for whatever reason. There have been discussions, some blame and moral throwing and some VERY weird side tracks. Go back and read a spell, it's educational.

The real T is you'd like to see this feature because you'd like to see this feature....that's great. But you also know it has no impact on game play or performance and certainly know it has no impact in reality. So yes it most definitely is unimportant. The fact you'd happily play 10 more years without it shows you deem it unimportant. #GlameLivesMatter #ClamUpAndGlamUp

This entire game is unimportant, this doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss or post about wants. None of this NEEDS to happen. Tomorrow the servers could blow up and everyone would continue on with their lives. Keep hashtag twittertrash posting whatever. The fact of the matter is this thread and this discussion matters just as much as any other feature proposal or argument.

At this point it is all circles just like what happens with any long running thread.

The devs can get a good enough idea how well liked this feature would be should it be implemented based on the OP and the 1st No statement, both on page 1.

Let them decide if worth resource costs and for next live letter ask the question for such a feature if they answer it we'll have their stance and can put this thread to rest.

.. why must it stop? Others are joining in with their perspectives and concerns. Yes things are getting repeated but WHY do people keep coming in here and asking for it to cease? This is one thread, no spam. It's not like nobodys discussing the original topic anymore. This hasn't turned into the otter thread or the .. weird left turn the smoking emote thread went.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Snip and dip

True. I have not read the whole thread. Only about half a dozen pages worth. But ain't no body got time for reading through a couple hundred pages, to find the point in this none issue. Exactly, side tracks. Which is what this has all become since I jumped into the frey (big mistake with these forums) and was my soul purpose in my replies with some added hashtags for the giggle.

Oh is it educational?...did your education teach you not to be so incredibly condescending?...see we can all do it. And your boy Theo be talking about attacks?...Where you at Theo?

Your final point is exactly it. The real T and one I can get behind. I shall happily discuss things as they are. But once it becomes about trying to "win" and/or about bizarre sidetracks. Then what is even anymore?

Seriously carby slippers and frog suits be odd and not too my taste. But some peeps like that and to truly tolerate something is not to hide yourself from it. But to allow it to exist around you without you reacting.

[Lauront]

Seriously carby slippers and frog suits be odd and not too my taste. But some peeps like that and to truly tolerate something is not to hide yourself from it. But to allow it to exist around you without you reacting.

It's allowed to exist. What you're equating tolerance to is disabling any negative reaction to something - one can both tolerate it, i.e. allow it to exist, and also want little to do with it. I can both allow it to exist and employ a feature to hide it from my sight. Whilst I don't consider the feature imperative, it would be a nice to have.

[Krotoan]

True. I have not read the whole thread. Only about half a dozen pages worth. But ain't no body got time for reading through a couple hundred pages, to find the point in this none issue. Exactly, side tracks. Which is what this has all become since I jumped into the frey (big mistake with these forums) and was my soul purpose in my replies with some added hashtags for the giggle.

Oh is it educational?...did your education teach you not to be so incredibly condescending?...see we can all do it. And your boy Theo be talking about attacks?...Where you at Theo?

The term you're trying to use is "non-issue", and considering there is this much discussion about it, that can't possibly be the case. I'm going to guess maybe English isn't your first language, which is fine of course but I will say that your assumption I'm being intentionally condescending is incorrect. This is just how I talk. If you want to make claims as you have you really SHOULD read more of the thread and it is very educational, no sarcasm intended. And Theo is not my "boy". I believe there are other threads where we were pretty at odds if you want to check out our particular post histories.

Your final point is exactly it. The real T and one I can get behind. I shall happily discuss things as they are. But once it becomes about trying to "win" and/or about bizarre sidetracks. Then what is even anymore?

When I reply to people arguing morals I have to discuss morals and how they relate. I'm not about to let people steer the conversation away without calling them out on it. I think only a few pages back there was an actual discussion about implementation before we got someone literally making an argument that earlier someone had said nobody would make : "everyone who supports this is a bigot".

Seriously carby slippers and frog suits be odd and not too my taste. But some peeps like that and to truly tolerate something is not to hide yourself from it. But to allow it to exist around you without you reacting.

I tolerate it fine and do not react in the slightest. If someone mentions something that could enhance my enjoyment of the game though, I'll speak up to support it. If you are however asking me to change my actual likes and dislikes.. then who's being intolerant?

[Lauront]

Just bringing light to the fact your side of the argument is no better or valid than other points posted here that differ to yours.

You just made a sweeping statement that both sides are as bad as each other, when as Krotoan said, those who are requesting the feature by and large are just asking for it to be added, only to be met with bad faith responses attributing it to muh bigotry and trying to inject "moral" and political arguments into it. So you're not bringing much to light at all. Quite the opposite.

[SoloWingMetatron]

You just made a sweeping statement that both sides are as bad as each other, when as Krotoan said, those who are requesting the feature by and large are just asking for it to be added, only to be met with bad faith responses attributing it to muh bigotry and trying to inject "moral" and political arguments into it. So you're not bringing much to light at all. Quite the opposite.

I did indeed make a sweeping statement. What you think I'm going to retroactively go through each page in the thread to separate out each individual. To make sure you all know who is being referenced. The sad truth being I knew if I quoted anyone all of a sudden people got an opinion. I quote no one and well, just a few likes here and there. The point which I assumed people would most definitely catch is that. People be trying to refute the other side without actually trying to hear the other side and vice versa. It's lietrally quote after quote which essentially boils down to "how could you say such a thing!?...lemme teel you why you is wrong by telling you, you is wrong. With a dash of patronization and condesation " But my sweeping statement is over the line?