It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[SoloWingMetatron]

More arguing

More arguing

More arguing

More arguing

You're all as bad as each other in fairness. Arguing the morals of whether a collection of polygons in humanoid form can wear a separate collection of polygons in the form of some clothing. Both sides of this are a none issue and frankly very silly. Do you really care that much if a hide glamour toggle was added? to the point where it should be prioritized over other content that needs to be developed? Like seriously, if it gets added so what. If it doesn't get added so what.

#ItAintGunnaHappen #GlamLivesMatter #FreeTheGlam #ClamUpAndGlamUp

[AHelpingPaw]

People are acting like vanity and fashion was never about being seen by others.
That it should only be a personal thing that you do for yourself, and thus, people being able to block it does not affect you.

Please, fashion in social settings has always been about presenting oneself and one´s visual creativity to others.
This was true back when the first cavemen decided to put seashells on their hair and it is true today.

When customization first appeared in MMORPG, they were called Vanity Items for a reason.

So yes, showing off and being unique and different to everyone else around you is part of the experience.
This does not apply only to FFXIV but also is the reason why people put so much effort on their appaerances in real life.

[Krotoan]

You're all as bad as each other in fairness. Arguing the morals of whether a collection of polygons in humanoid form can wear a separate collection of polygons in the form of some clothing. Both sides of this are a none issue and frankly very silly. Do you really care that much if a hide glamour toggle was added? to the point where it should be prioritized over other content that needs to be developed? Like seriously, if it gets added so what. If it doesn't get added so what.

Except the only one arguing morals are those against the feature. That's the side that brings that up. And the only amount I care about this is that I'd like to see this feature. I've played for 10 years without it and will likely play 10 more without it. Stop trying to act as if a discussion about a suggestion is unimportant or unwarranted just because either you don't care or there are other problems. You don't like this discussion? Don't read the thread. Don't come in here and try to scold everyone for discussing something.

People are acting like vanity and fashion was never about being seen by others.
That it should only be a personal thing that you do for yourself, and thus, people being able to block it does not affect you.

Please, fashion in social settings has always been about presenting oneself and one´s visual creativity to others.
This was true back when the first cavemen decided to put seashells on their hair and it is true today.

When customization first appeared in MMORPG, they were called Vanity Items for a reason.

So yes, showing off and being unique and different to everyone else around you is part of the experience.
This does not apply only to FFXIV but also is the reason why people put so much effort on their appaerances in real life.

And real life has no bearing on what is possible in a video game. In real life there are no mods, there are no local files, there are no filters or options or sliders. Stop comparing real world issues, morality, and limitations with a video game.

[Theodric]

Not every player even cares about glamour in the first place and even many of those who do aren't necessarily going to care about what anybody other than their close friends are wearing. That's reflected much in the real world, too - people can make the effort to dress nicely and appreciate their friends/family doing the same without caring at all about what random people in the street are wearing.

It's rather deceptive to act as though glamour is the primary concern of the vast majority of players - because it simply is not. The game has a lot of players who don't give certain aspects of the game much thought at all. There's players who never touch gathering or crafting. Others who never participate in PvP and yet others who never do anything involving extreme/savage/ultimate raiding.

As an aside, trying to brand everybody in this thread as being as bad as each other is extremely deceptive when members of one side of the debate are falsely accusing the other of being 'bigots' and other similar heavy handed terms.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Some more baseless nonsense about polygons

Just bringing light to the fact your side of the argument is no better or valid than other points posted here that differ to yours. Also I can post and comment where and when I like you have no authority here. So don't presume to know what's up. You also arn't discussing at all...all you are doing is trying to refute other points to try and validate your own. Which what everyone here has been doing at this point in the thread. #ComeThruSelfAwareness

The real T is you'd like to see this feature because you'd like to see this feature....that's great. But you also know it has no impact on game play or performance and certainly know it has no impact in reality. So yes it most definitely is unimportant. The fact you'd happily play 10 more years without it shows you deem it unimportant. #GlameLivesMatter #ClamUpAndGlamUp

[Barachim]

I am starting to worry about the amount of people that seem to be unable to make a clear-cut distinction between a video game and real life. Like seriously, what is it with the amount of real life examples, to argue against this Glamour feature? "You can't do X in real life, you shouldn't be able to do X in the game."

[Penthea]

It's rather deceptive to act as though glamour is the primary concern of the vast majority of players - because it simply is not. The game has a lot of players who don't give certain aspects of the game much thought at all. There's players who never touch gathering or crafting. Others who never participate in PvP and yet others who never do anything involving extreme/savage/ultimate raiding.

This is an awful comparison. I know many players who do not and never did any crafting, gathering, pvp and savage. I haven't met a single person who didn't care about glam enough to the point of not even engaging in it.

The vast majority of players do clearly care about glam to some degree. The joy of glamming is pretty much universal.

I'm not even sure why this is being brought up as an argument in a thread where some people care so much about glam they cannot stand seeing differing tastes. If anything it's an extreme form of caring about glam.

[Theodric]

I wouldn't say it's an awful comparison in the context of the discussion. Either glamour is the most important thing ever, or it isn't. Not everybody embraces the glamour system for the sake of showing off to other players. Equally, not everybody cares to scrutinise what other players are doing with their character - and if they do, there's nothing wrong with them wanting no part of it if they find the fashion choices of another player to be jarring.

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As an aside, isn't it fascinating how the posters trying to shut the debate down are among the first to resort to abhorrent personal attacks and rule breaking?

[Crushnight]

At this point it is all circles just like what happens with any long running thread.

The devs can get a good enough idea how well liked this feature would be should it be implemented based on the OP and the 1st No statement, both on page 1.

Let them decide if worth resource costs and for next live letter ask the question for such a feature if they answer it we'll have their stance and can put this thread to rest.

[SoloWingMetatron]

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I mean not one personal attack has been given. No name calling. No derogatorily terms. Nothing of the sort. Though if someone comes for me. Which another user did, first and foremost. Then yes I will clap back. Just as they are entitled to clap back....What was that about tolerence a few pages before?...you people be phony!